AF100 Green AWB Test (on monitor and footage)
- Thread starter Phil H.
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I'm not using it at all, I've lent it to a friend with a Canon and he's wild about it. Very bright and sharp, good peaking and zoom features, self powered (Sony battery) and HDMI - I have tried it on my HVX200 using composite in, but unfortunately the Cineroid won't unsqeeze the image, so it's not perfect for that. I've thought about getting an adapter and using it on my PPX500, mount the adapter box on the battery - but that's only if I ultimately decide against the AF100.
Rick Burnett
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Let me add this wrench to the gears turning, when I take AF100 footage into Final Cut and then the same footage into Premiere Pro, Premiere Pro has less green in the image than Final Cut! I have tested this multiple times. I thought it was VERY strange!
Barry_Green
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I don't know how this is getting all confusing all of a sudden, because it certainly shouldn't be...
First things first -- there is NOTHING green about the footage. Use a perfectly white card (I have a DSC CamWhite, engineered to be perfect white) and do a manual white balance. Then take that image into PhotoShop and sample it -- it comes out 128, 128, 128. The footage is fine.
About the LCD vs. EVF -- there is a minor difference. The LCD is slightly greener. I don't know the exact extent of the greener shade, but a wild ballpark estimate would be that it's 1% greener than the EVF. It is there. I never noticed it, and probably would never notice it, had these threads not become so commonplace. But if you look at a pure white image through the EVF and then through the LCD, you will (or at least should) note that the LCD has a faint green tint to it.
That is, as far as I know, the entirety of the situation. And yes, I do consider this to be among the most minor of annoyances. If it was making green footage, I'd be screaming. But the footage is perfectly fine, and if the monitor is 1% off, I file that under "big frickin' deal". I know some won't agree, well, to each his own -- it hasn't slowed me down one bit. My attitude and workflow is that the LCD is for framing, and for displaying the WFM. If you need to verify absolute color accuracy, or ultimate focus sharpness, stick your eyeball in the EVF, that's what it's there for.
First things first -- there is NOTHING green about the footage. Use a perfectly white card (I have a DSC CamWhite, engineered to be perfect white) and do a manual white balance. Then take that image into PhotoShop and sample it -- it comes out 128, 128, 128. The footage is fine.
About the LCD vs. EVF -- there is a minor difference. The LCD is slightly greener. I don't know the exact extent of the greener shade, but a wild ballpark estimate would be that it's 1% greener than the EVF. It is there. I never noticed it, and probably would never notice it, had these threads not become so commonplace. But if you look at a pure white image through the EVF and then through the LCD, you will (or at least should) note that the LCD has a faint green tint to it.
That is, as far as I know, the entirety of the situation. And yes, I do consider this to be among the most minor of annoyances. If it was making green footage, I'd be screaming. But the footage is perfectly fine, and if the monitor is 1% off, I file that under "big frickin' deal". I know some won't agree, well, to each his own -- it hasn't slowed me down one bit. My attitude and workflow is that the LCD is for framing, and for displaying the WFM. If you need to verify absolute color accuracy, or ultimate focus sharpness, stick your eyeball in the EVF, that's what it's there for.
chancenorris
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I have noticed the greenish tint on my LCD Screen too, but not on the footage or on my Small HD DP6 external monitor. Hopefully someone at Panasonic will address this issue in a firmware update and not by releasing a new model! I'm still traumatized from my crappy HPX300 purchase last year and probably won't get over it for a while, at least I was able to sell it this past month.
HPX300 Rant Almost Over!
As for the rest of the AF100 its pretty cool!
HPX300 Rant Almost Over!
As for the rest of the AF100 its pretty cool!
Phil H.
Active member
Agreed Barry, the footage is amazing. This camera certainly delivers the goods. The monitor is only a slight annoyance. But at least we're voicing our thoughts on the issue. A few simple color correction menus for the LCD would help a lot. Seems the LCD is often overlooked on these prosumer cameras. A tiny bit of software to allow color control can't be that difficult to include. They do give a few controls for the LCD including Brightness, Color (saturation), and Contrast. An RGB option would be great.
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That is strange. But that all resides within your system setup.
And let me just say this again. When you are under fluorescent lighting - the consumer home / office kind - if youre using the 3200k wb preset, it doesnt account for the crap lights. Everything will look and shoot green. Youll need to manually white balance so the camera can see the green spike in the light. Guess what happens when you dont?
Yesterday I did a shot under a fluoro with manual white balance, then when the camera was turned on again - light was around the same K of 3200 but they were fresnels and the whole image was magenta - as you'd expect. But this is outside the issue as explained by the OP, but it certainly seems the only way people could get the green in their shots.
Rick Burnett
Section Moderator
How? The system is setup the same for both applications. Yet, the color rendering is different.
Barry_Green
Moderator
And I have formally requested that they do so. But I would also say - don't hold your breath. Panasonic has rarely, if ever, added new features to an existing product through a firmware update.
Phil H.
Active member
Yes I know. I've been with them since the first revolution. But perhaps other manufacturers are listening (reading).