Adam do you have any pics of your rig with the Shuttle? be interesting to see how other mount theres and tether monitors etc
AF100 external recorder - Ninja 2 or Samurai?
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Adam do you have any pics of your rig with the Shuttle? be interesting to see how other mount theres and tether monitors etc
Hey quite a heated discussion this is turning into lol :/ I got everything you meant though XSV and I do really appreciate the help. I approach all of this research with an open mind and what you've discussed (the shuttle option) was something I didn't know until now that was a good option, and the pros do seem right for me! That link to editmans pics has a password thing though unfortanetly. Don't suppose you have a link to this power pack thing I could take a looksy at, how does it power the camera and everything too, what cables? Also wanted to mention in regards to frame rates etc, you never said whether it films 25fps, does it do that too at 1080/720? And as the shuttle has an hour battery without the mounts etc, is there a way to buy a back up battery for it and switch (say if i was shooting on a jib arm or glideca rig etc?) I'm excited though, I'm going to go and researc hthis all a little more and will post everything with links I plan on buying before hand so you can maybe let me know if ive forgotton something! Thanks again! (and definitely, when this film is closer to pre production would be awesome to work with you and have a good chat).
Nothing too heated -- just a lot of fans of their equipment here.
Take in everything anyone says and then do your own research -- get to know the features, advantages, and drawbacks of each system -- do the math for a full system, complete with media, powering, and any accessories -- then make a decision based upon your own needs and budget.
Good luck, and let us know how the system you choose works out for you.
Take in everything anyone says and then do your own research -- get to know the features, advantages, and drawbacks of each system -- do the math for a full system, complete with media, powering, and any accessories -- then make a decision based upon your own needs and budget.
Good luck, and let us know how the system you choose works out for you.
Shooter
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You will have to book him on a job to see his rig or his reel. He doesnt do pix on forums ... :grin:
Exactly, sorry if my opinion seems strong or what not. I don't want to just go "oh the shuttle is the best", I probably over described why I think it's a good deal for me and what it allowed me to do with my rig but mainly so that I cover the bases of why I bought it and don't drag a conversation over several posts...
... Didn't exactly work now did it ;0)
You use D-tap from the v-lock battery plate to 12v, SmallHd do a nice cable for the dp4 that you can use on the shuttle and probably your dp6. Ill build a list with links to what you need and what the total is including media and power. Lanparte make a decent camera battery plate that has a few different outputs, Erik Naso uses that I think. http://eriknaso.com/2012/03/07/run-your-af-100-with-a-ab-gold-mount-or-v-mount-battery/
FYI, I went with three SSDs as I think 3 plus hours of recording in one go is ample for the types of work I use the recorder on (I use AVCHD for long format events and interviews). Also 3 SSDs gives me another drive to use while one is being backed up and one spare in case of failure, I always shoot with a SSD card in the camera too so I have a backup recording (like shooter) but I am mainly after the SSD recording so always have that backed up on set or at the end of a shoot to two HDs or at least recommend this s what the director has arranged.
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Ok here it goes; long post but that's me done on the subject ;0)
For those that have a monitor or don't need one to be a part of there recording package, to add external prores capture to your rig via the shuttle you will need;
Hyperdeck Shuttle V2 £225.60 inc VAT - http://www.onevideo.co.uk/hyperdeck-shuttle.html
Hyperdeck Mouting Plate £74.10 inc VAT - http://www.videoediting-direct.com/...n/blackmagic-hyperdeck-shuttle-mounting-plate
15mm Rail mount bracket (bolt this to the Shuttle via its mounting plate) £27.47 inc VAT - http://www.ecrater.co.uk/p/14816486/quick-release-15mm-railblock
SDI cable specific to the Shuttle £19.99 inc VAT - http://www.dvestore.com/blackmagic-hyperdeck-shuttle-sdi-cable-6-bnc-female-to-din/
120GB Sandisk SSD drive x3 @ £83.67 = £251.01 - http://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-SDS...JCWM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1357639039&sr=8-2
SSD Docking Station (USB 2, 3, eSata and FireWire 800) £48.49 - http://eshop.macsales.com/item/NewerTech/FWU3ES2HDK/
Total = £646 inc VAT.
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If you don't have a monitor and liked that other devices such as the Samurai offer this as part of the package or you was relying on the Samurai being your monitor as you can only afford the Samurai then a comparable monitor to add to the Shuttle is the DP4 from smallHD;
Total = £334.78 inc VAT - http://store.smallhd.com/Store/DP4-On-Camera-Field-Monitors
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If you don't have external power and don't want to rely on the internal 1 hour battery or AC mains supply of the Shuttle, or was looking into all system power generally to power a recorder, monitor, light etc, via google I found;
Lanparte V-Lock rail battery plate £140 inc VAT - http://www.fastforwardtime.co.uk/la...or-amp-hdmi-splitter-for-15mm-rail-system-rig
V-Lock Battery (many to choose from) £180 inc VAT - http://www.proav.co.uk/Swit-Shop/SWIT-S-8082S-Battery/p18008.aspx
V-Lock Battery Charger £66 inc VAT - http://www.proav.co.uk/Swit-Shop/SWIT-S-3010S-Single-Channel-Charger/p15411.aspx
Total = £386 inc VAT
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Total without a monitor but with external power = £1032
Total without external power but with a comparable monitor = £981
A fair comparison to the Samurai all in one package would have to include everything from the above list;
Grand Total for all 3 sections is £1367
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Samurai is £1197 http://www.creativevideo.co.uk/index.php?t=product/atomos_samurai
As mentioned above, 120GB Sandisk SSD drive x3 @ £83.67 = £251.01
Total for the Samurai with the SSDs is £1448
Total for the Shuttle with the SSDs and all system power is £1367
Prices of course fluctuate on SSDs, I paid £70 a piece on Amazon in December, so you need to look out for bargains but any fluctuation will affect both of these comparisons fairly.
The pros of the Samurai purchase over the Shuttle are more higher compression recording options, all in one purchase, one delivery charge, can work with spinning drives in a controlled environments, easy to review and delete shots, FCPX XML, you might prefer touch screen control over buttons and a pelican case is included.
The pros of the Shuttle purchase over the Samurai is modularity, you can save up to £802 over the Samurai if you already have/don't need a monitor and power solution or can work with the AC supply, that's a fair amount, practically a Zeiss Lens. I use a recorder for better image quality so like me you may appreciate the fully uncompressed capture (overkill on the AF but maybe not on a Scarlet) over higher compression rates on the Samurai. A all system power solution is achievable on the Samurai budget with £80 change or £414 if you have a monitor. You get HDMI and SDI capture and loop through, a HDMI/SDI conversion mode, insurance against failure I.e. not the screen nor the batteries affect the shuttle if they fail, same can be said for the monitor or the batteries if the shuttle fails, everything has its own warranty and removing a part from your system for a repair or because its not needed doesn't lose you the benefits the other parts are still providing you. Each section can be used by itself, you can upgrade any part of your setup one part at a time, be that a better screen, recorder, dock or power supply and everything you buy can be used on other cameras and devices, be that the batteries for the BMCC, F3 etc or even a light panel, a DP4 with the EVF loop on a GH2 or the Shuttle as HDMI capture for Nikon D800, Canon 5D etc. I can even use it as an SDI booster for broadcast.
Compared Just as recorders with screens and interchangeable power there is £80 between them, not enough to go with my option over the Samurai if you're dead set on getting one and don't care about the other benefits, at the very least that extra £80 is another SSD right? but if you look at what you can save if you already have a monitor and power solution, or what you gain if you don't have these (and was looking at buying a monitor and V-Lock solution in the future) then I think it would do you good to consider this post and the others before it and make a truly informed decision.
They are both great products and the great thing is you have theses great choices open to you.
Great ;0)
For those that have a monitor or don't need one to be a part of there recording package, to add external prores capture to your rig via the shuttle you will need;
Hyperdeck Shuttle V2 £225.60 inc VAT - http://www.onevideo.co.uk/hyperdeck-shuttle.html
Hyperdeck Mouting Plate £74.10 inc VAT - http://www.videoediting-direct.com/...n/blackmagic-hyperdeck-shuttle-mounting-plate
15mm Rail mount bracket (bolt this to the Shuttle via its mounting plate) £27.47 inc VAT - http://www.ecrater.co.uk/p/14816486/quick-release-15mm-railblock
SDI cable specific to the Shuttle £19.99 inc VAT - http://www.dvestore.com/blackmagic-hyperdeck-shuttle-sdi-cable-6-bnc-female-to-din/
120GB Sandisk SSD drive x3 @ £83.67 = £251.01 - http://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-SDS...JCWM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1357639039&sr=8-2
SSD Docking Station (USB 2, 3, eSata and FireWire 800) £48.49 - http://eshop.macsales.com/item/NewerTech/FWU3ES2HDK/
Total = £646 inc VAT.
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If you don't have a monitor and liked that other devices such as the Samurai offer this as part of the package or you was relying on the Samurai being your monitor as you can only afford the Samurai then a comparable monitor to add to the Shuttle is the DP4 from smallHD;
Total = £334.78 inc VAT - http://store.smallhd.com/Store/DP4-On-Camera-Field-Monitors
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If you don't have external power and don't want to rely on the internal 1 hour battery or AC mains supply of the Shuttle, or was looking into all system power generally to power a recorder, monitor, light etc, via google I found;
Lanparte V-Lock rail battery plate £140 inc VAT - http://www.fastforwardtime.co.uk/la...or-amp-hdmi-splitter-for-15mm-rail-system-rig
V-Lock Battery (many to choose from) £180 inc VAT - http://www.proav.co.uk/Swit-Shop/SWIT-S-8082S-Battery/p18008.aspx
V-Lock Battery Charger £66 inc VAT - http://www.proav.co.uk/Swit-Shop/SWIT-S-3010S-Single-Channel-Charger/p15411.aspx
Total = £386 inc VAT
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Total without a monitor but with external power = £1032
Total without external power but with a comparable monitor = £981
A fair comparison to the Samurai all in one package would have to include everything from the above list;
Grand Total for all 3 sections is £1367
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Samurai is £1197 http://www.creativevideo.co.uk/index.php?t=product/atomos_samurai
As mentioned above, 120GB Sandisk SSD drive x3 @ £83.67 = £251.01
Total for the Samurai with the SSDs is £1448
Total for the Shuttle with the SSDs and all system power is £1367
Prices of course fluctuate on SSDs, I paid £70 a piece on Amazon in December, so you need to look out for bargains but any fluctuation will affect both of these comparisons fairly.
The pros of the Samurai purchase over the Shuttle are more higher compression recording options, all in one purchase, one delivery charge, can work with spinning drives in a controlled environments, easy to review and delete shots, FCPX XML, you might prefer touch screen control over buttons and a pelican case is included.
The pros of the Shuttle purchase over the Samurai is modularity, you can save up to £802 over the Samurai if you already have/don't need a monitor and power solution or can work with the AC supply, that's a fair amount, practically a Zeiss Lens. I use a recorder for better image quality so like me you may appreciate the fully uncompressed capture (overkill on the AF but maybe not on a Scarlet) over higher compression rates on the Samurai. A all system power solution is achievable on the Samurai budget with £80 change or £414 if you have a monitor. You get HDMI and SDI capture and loop through, a HDMI/SDI conversion mode, insurance against failure I.e. not the screen nor the batteries affect the shuttle if they fail, same can be said for the monitor or the batteries if the shuttle fails, everything has its own warranty and removing a part from your system for a repair or because its not needed doesn't lose you the benefits the other parts are still providing you. Each section can be used by itself, you can upgrade any part of your setup one part at a time, be that a better screen, recorder, dock or power supply and everything you buy can be used on other cameras and devices, be that the batteries for the BMCC, F3 etc or even a light panel, a DP4 with the EVF loop on a GH2 or the Shuttle as HDMI capture for Nikon D800, Canon 5D etc. I can even use it as an SDI booster for broadcast.
Compared Just as recorders with screens and interchangeable power there is £80 between them, not enough to go with my option over the Samurai if you're dead set on getting one and don't care about the other benefits, at the very least that extra £80 is another SSD right? but if you look at what you can save if you already have a monitor and power solution, or what you gain if you don't have these (and was looking at buying a monitor and V-Lock solution in the future) then I think it would do you good to consider this post and the others before it and make a truly informed decision.
They are both great products and the great thing is you have theses great choices open to you.
Great ;0)
Wow what a post that's incredible thank you so much for that. Pretty much won over, the battery system looks to have sold it for me as well, quite a neat idea and should help me on those long shoots! Just a few more questions (sorry, it almost feels insulting to be asking for more when I've received such a great post like that and so much information), but just want to be sure of a few minor details. As for the mount and the rail bracket, i still can't picture how that all connects to the af100? Do i need to get rods too? Forgive my naivity (and poor spelling). Also in regards to the whole v mount battery system, just to confirm with the d tap, that can power the af100 as well? and probably my small hd? I take it you would still have an af100 battery in though when operating? Surely it doesn't power everything at once though?
I'll probably have to buy the shuttle and accessories first before the v mount battery system, so was wondering (as i'm a little worried about having only an hour of battery time), is there other decent batteries I can buy to switch with the shuttle and keep it going, or would I have to recharge it to the mains each time the battery goes? Finally noticed on the shuttle info link they dont state apple pro res, but Is that the same thing as the quicktime files they have there? I'm only familiar with avchd. Thank you so much again and everything, starting to get excited about the grading possibilities and image quality on the big screen!!
I'll probably have to buy the shuttle and accessories first before the v mount battery system, so was wondering (as i'm a little worried about having only an hour of battery time), is there other decent batteries I can buy to switch with the shuttle and keep it going, or would I have to recharge it to the mains each time the battery goes? Finally noticed on the shuttle info link they dont state apple pro res, but Is that the same thing as the quicktime files they have there? I'm only familiar with avchd. Thank you so much again and everything, starting to get excited about the grading possibilities and image quality on the big screen!!
Yeah the V mounts power everything. Camera, monitor, recorder, led light and even charge your iphone all at the same time for a number of hours. The battery slides onto the plate and transfers its power to the outputs on the plate. Regular plates just have D-Tap connectors, so you need D-Tap cables for each device but the lanparte plate gives you two 12v outputs (DP6 and the Shuttle) and a 7.2v output for the AF100, you just use the dummy battery that came with your AF100 for use with the AC adapter/charger and you now have power for those 3 devices.
The Lanparte also has two 15v outputs and a USB output (for your iPhone, joke). You could use the USB output to power a GoPro camera over night for a hard to get timelapse? (Sorry that's the best example I can think of).
Personally if you have the funds I would look for a D-Tap only plate and get the right cables for each device, just because they are generally shorter and neater, the Lanparte plate is pretty cool though, it has HDMI loop throughs and has that dedicated 7.2v for camera power. Do not try and plug your AF100 into a 12v supply, it must be regulated 7.2v!
I had assumed you would have a basic 15mm rail and camera plate setup? Everything I have mentioned needs that as the basis of your setup. You could get away with mounting the Shuttle to the AF100 handle but its not ideal. I am working on a plate to mount the shuttle in place of the removable palm grip. You have enough cash saved with the Shuttle to buy a simple or complex Rail, camera plate setup. Tons of options on eBay for the budget conscious and Tilta/Lanparte seem to be fairly affordable, well made pieces of kit. £140-160 can get you a nice height adjustable Lanparte camer plate and a set of rails.
Battery wise I did find this simple 12v battery that can be directly attached to the Shuttle camera plate and power any 12v device for 6-8 hours, only £47.40 inc VAT - http://www.ecrater.co.uk/p/14750965/lilliput-4600mah-lithium-battery-for-all-monitor
Two of those would be fine for the shuttle for an entire 12-17 hour day and be lighter than the V-Locks not to mention 1/3 the cost for two of them. Technically they are cheaper than two rip off canon batteries and a charger. I might pick up 1 as a cheap back up battery for the shuttle but also they might be a lot lighter for when that's needed and possibly could be attached to one of the empty threads under the palm grip of the AF100.
V-Locks are the way to go though, great all day power.
Make sure you buy the Hyperdeck Shuttle V2, the V1 doesn't support DNxHD or Prores, the V2 does but some retailers might not be advertising it correctly and just advertising it as a DNxHD and uncompressed recorder, if that's the case you may need to spend 5 mins updating the firmware over at http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/hyperdeckshuttle/
You see how it's advertised as a Prores recorder.
I forgot to say earlier it does indeed support 23.98p (24p), 25p and 29.97p 30p, both 50 and 60i, 24psf mode in 1080p and 50fps in 720p
The Lanparte also has two 15v outputs and a USB output (for your iPhone, joke). You could use the USB output to power a GoPro camera over night for a hard to get timelapse? (Sorry that's the best example I can think of).
Personally if you have the funds I would look for a D-Tap only plate and get the right cables for each device, just because they are generally shorter and neater, the Lanparte plate is pretty cool though, it has HDMI loop throughs and has that dedicated 7.2v for camera power. Do not try and plug your AF100 into a 12v supply, it must be regulated 7.2v!
I had assumed you would have a basic 15mm rail and camera plate setup? Everything I have mentioned needs that as the basis of your setup. You could get away with mounting the Shuttle to the AF100 handle but its not ideal. I am working on a plate to mount the shuttle in place of the removable palm grip. You have enough cash saved with the Shuttle to buy a simple or complex Rail, camera plate setup. Tons of options on eBay for the budget conscious and Tilta/Lanparte seem to be fairly affordable, well made pieces of kit. £140-160 can get you a nice height adjustable Lanparte camer plate and a set of rails.
Battery wise I did find this simple 12v battery that can be directly attached to the Shuttle camera plate and power any 12v device for 6-8 hours, only £47.40 inc VAT - http://www.ecrater.co.uk/p/14750965/lilliput-4600mah-lithium-battery-for-all-monitor
Two of those would be fine for the shuttle for an entire 12-17 hour day and be lighter than the V-Locks not to mention 1/3 the cost for two of them. Technically they are cheaper than two rip off canon batteries and a charger. I might pick up 1 as a cheap back up battery for the shuttle but also they might be a lot lighter for when that's needed and possibly could be attached to one of the empty threads under the palm grip of the AF100.
V-Locks are the way to go though, great all day power.
Make sure you buy the Hyperdeck Shuttle V2, the V1 doesn't support DNxHD or Prores, the V2 does but some retailers might not be advertising it correctly and just advertising it as a DNxHD and uncompressed recorder, if that's the case you may need to spend 5 mins updating the firmware over at http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/hyperdeckshuttle/
You see how it's advertised as a Prores recorder.
I forgot to say earlier it does indeed support 23.98p (24p), 25p and 29.97p 30p, both 50 and 60i, 24psf mode in 1080p and 50fps in 720p
Thanks for the continuing analysis of both the cost and functionality of a Shuttle setup. It definitely helps people to be well informed.
In my case, I made the right choice going with a Samurai as it gives me much more flexibility for the way I work with the AF100. Others may find the opposite to be true, but many hours of compact, on-board power makes a huge difference for me and was one of the major deciding factors between the two units. Eight hours running time vs one hour is huge for the way I work. I have several spare Sony batteries that mean I can pop on another pair and I'm good for even a super long day.
If I need my rig to be more compact, I can pull the 100 off the rails and simply have the Samurai mounted atop the camera for situations like huddling tight against a car door in a cramped vehicle. External batteries in situations like that (and I've worked both ways) are a big hassle. In parts of my world, only one hour running time would be like eating just one potato chip. <g>
Then there's the already mentioned (since the trend here seems to be to mention things repeatedly) very convenient, self-contained playback unit -- with the dailies already loaded. Some people may decide they don't need that, others find it to be a substantial benefit.
I'm glad that they make both units as well as the many other options on the market. As one person might consider both and choose the Shuttle, I considered both and chose the Samurai. So far, it's been the right choice.
I believe the Samurai and the Shuttle each had some initial issues, but based on my experience with a Samurai, that's been well sorted out with firmware updates -- it's a solid unit. I know that's the case with the Samurai and I imagine there wouldn't be such fervent support for the Shuttle if that weren't the case there also.
In my case, I made the right choice going with a Samurai as it gives me much more flexibility for the way I work with the AF100. Others may find the opposite to be true, but many hours of compact, on-board power makes a huge difference for me and was one of the major deciding factors between the two units. Eight hours running time vs one hour is huge for the way I work. I have several spare Sony batteries that mean I can pop on another pair and I'm good for even a super long day.
If I need my rig to be more compact, I can pull the 100 off the rails and simply have the Samurai mounted atop the camera for situations like huddling tight against a car door in a cramped vehicle. External batteries in situations like that (and I've worked both ways) are a big hassle. In parts of my world, only one hour running time would be like eating just one potato chip. <g>
Then there's the already mentioned (since the trend here seems to be to mention things repeatedly) very convenient, self-contained playback unit -- with the dailies already loaded. Some people may decide they don't need that, others find it to be a substantial benefit.
I'm glad that they make both units as well as the many other options on the market. As one person might consider both and choose the Shuttle, I considered both and chose the Samurai. So far, it's been the right choice.
I believe the Samurai and the Shuttle each had some initial issues, but based on my experience with a Samurai, that's been well sorted out with firmware updates -- it's a solid unit. I know that's the case with the Samurai and I imagine there wouldn't be such fervent support for the Shuttle if that weren't the case there also.
Im with you on the Samurai, nothing wrong with it other than at £1500 it took me long enough to save and commit to buying it that the Shuttle got updated and became a purchase option, the Shuttle wasn't on my radar at all with uncompressed and still wasn't with just DNxHD. I'm sure when you bought your Samurai it really was the only sensible choice for Prores, Ninja is not worth it on a SDI camera, the others are either expensive with no screen or cheap but lack prores and sensible on board power? Or was the Shuttle up to date when you bought it? Thats how i looked at the recorders in my price range, then just as i was about to have enough money i found out via here that the Shuttle got prores late last year. Wasn't exactly publicised well.
1 hour in any camera world is just not an option when it comes to power, for me it means the Shuttle always has backup power and i can hot swap the V-Lock but i never go out to shoot with it like that. It was always going to mean that I buy into v-locks and as I pointed out, once everything was factored in the shuttle was only £80 cheaper, not as compact (though I prefer the rail option over a magic arm with the Samurai) and with no prores, cheaper or not it wasn't a purchase but then it was updated and I could see where the rest of my money would be better spent.
I'm not trolling but what is your shooting world? I think it will help anyone making a decision about which to go for. I mainly do corporate events and sports, live streaming, sit down interviews, docu style capture. Over 2012 I moved into narrative work and have been pushing myself further into DP land.
what do you shoot?
bgundu
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When shooting out feature, the Samurai/Ninja really helped being a directors monitor for framing. It was a critical for having a backup in the field too as we were shooting in India and reshooting was not an option. Finally, it was a great way to check for eye lines when setting up the reverse angle. We would bring up the reverse angle and adjust the eyelines. Boom, no guessing. Also, for a while, the Red cameras did not have audio playback in camera. The only way was to use the Samurai on set. I also didn't want to use my power hungry Red to do any playback. Saumrai was great for that. It's dummy proof. The director was able to skim through shots on his own.
Here's our write up about our india film:
http://www.panasonicforbusiness.com...ure-film-sidharth-in-india-with-the-ag-af100/
Here's our write up about our india film:
http://www.panasonicforbusiness.com...ure-film-sidharth-in-india-with-the-ag-af100/
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Sounds great though any monitor on the camera is doing the same thing for your reverse angles but I can see where an extra monitor can come in handy especially if said monitor has to be the Samurai due to budget, I'd probably have the Sam for framing and another monitor for the focus puller if you was using one. I used a 24 inch monitor on our last film, hired two 10 meter HDMI leads with a booster from the same company we got a load of c stands and pole cats from. Good thing about this was getting the director (a successful theatre director) away from the set as you can't help but look at the scene with your eyes instead of just via the screen when on set and he really needed to judge the performance via what the camera is seeing over seeing the scene via his own eyes from just behind the camera (does that make sense, I'm struggling to explain this I think)
I had one really difficult macro shot of a watch face just falling into the right amount of light as the actor brings his arm up to check the meeting time (its a thriller by the way) shot from above and down to head height on the jib, framing was critical due to making sure the shot cut together (where the audience eyes are traveling to and from on the screen) so I had the director push the record button for me so that he could guide the actors arm to where he wanted it and fuk me he couldn't even get that right, brilliant with actors and a tremendous writer and director but don't let him near a camera!. Due to this I would not hand over the Samurai recorder to him to flick through, at least not without having it backed up! ;0)
A wide variety that runs the gamut: independent films, commercials, music videos, corporate, etc.
While I usually use the AF100 on rails, I have two quick release plates, one for the whole system including rails to release from the fluid head, and another for the camera to release from the rail assembly. That allows me more flexibility in quickly changing shooting styles.
...or maybe it just means I can't make up my mind <g>.
Cool thanks man, no I 've always just thought a rail system may be a bit overkill, but I guess with these accessories and all it's something I'm going to need! Would something like this be ok then? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LanParte-...503?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2c65911b1f
And with that rail system would it work like this (excuse my ignorance again as these systems have so many parts and dont want to leave something out), would the rail system fix to the tripod, with the camera to the attachment on the rail system. Then the shuttle would connect to the shuttle plate, which in turns connect to the easy release bracket you posted previously, which goes onto the rails? Sound about right (no way to ignore the plate like you seem to have in some of your first pics?) And thanks I'll be sure to get shuttle V2, to begin with I think I'll be getting the shuttle, the plates and rail system and that liliput battery (which i assume connects to the plates ok still), to cover me for a typical days shoot. Then hopefully once I've saved some more I'll purchase the entire v mount system! Excited!
And with that rail system would it work like this (excuse my ignorance again as these systems have so many parts and dont want to leave something out), would the rail system fix to the tripod, with the camera to the attachment on the rail system. Then the shuttle would connect to the shuttle plate, which in turns connect to the easy release bracket you posted previously, which goes onto the rails? Sound about right (no way to ignore the plate like you seem to have in some of your first pics?) And thanks I'll be sure to get shuttle V2, to begin with I think I'll be getting the shuttle, the plates and rail system and that liliput battery (which i assume connects to the plates ok still), to cover me for a typical days shoot. Then hopefully once I've saved some more I'll purchase the entire v mount system! Excited!
Yeah you got it, the cheap battery actually can thread onto the Hyperdeck.
pardon if this seems rude but you seem to be starting completely from scratch? If you are shooting a film do you have lights? Simple dolly, sound guy etc? I only ask because the AVCHD capture is fine if you don't have any of these things, I would and have owned the lights, dolly, Jib/Crane, shoulder mount and various Lenses before the external recorder.
No point having maximum image fidelity if you can't light your set, unless its all natural light?
pardon if this seems rude but you seem to be starting completely from scratch? If you are shooting a film do you have lights? Simple dolly, sound guy etc? I only ask because the AVCHD capture is fine if you don't have any of these things, I would and have owned the lights, dolly, Jib/Crane, shoulder mount and various Lenses before the external recorder.
No point having maximum image fidelity if you can't light your set, unless its all natural light?
dregenthal
Veteran
My journey went something like this...
Already had a monitor I was quite happy with (as well as multiple varieties of battery power).
I wanted the Nano originally but didn't want to pony up the then 3k.
Heard about the Ninja (was just being introduced) . . .
Thought Ninja would drive the price down on other solutions (which it did to some degree . . . Eventually).
Then there was the promise of the forthcoming Samurai . . . Thought maybe I should wait.
Didn't consider Shuttle 1 because, for me, uncompressed is unnecessary except maybe for green screen work.
When Shuttle 2 came out (at the same price as S1) I was all in!
While I use a Tekkeon MP3450 but you can power the shuttle with (for example) any of the Sony knockoff batteries and adapter plates on eBay or Amazon for less than fifty bucks.
What most people don't realize, with the shuttle, is that when you use external power you are using external power...not the internal battery (which is being charged by the external source...yes, even from DC external sources).
I think somebody said something about not knowing how much recording time is left on the Shuttle?
There's an LED system notifying you of approximately how much time is left.
The Shuttle, by the way, has pass through...both the HDMI and SDI out are live full time, which can be handy.
Anyhow, I'm not making an argument for one recorder over the other...
My decision was based largely by what was available at the time (and total cost of ownership).
Not that it would be my first choice but if my external monitor died in the field I'd like put my glasses on and use the AF100's LCD.
Odds are my Shuttle will be accompanying me as I move on to future cameras.
Best.
Already had a monitor I was quite happy with (as well as multiple varieties of battery power).
I wanted the Nano originally but didn't want to pony up the then 3k.
Heard about the Ninja (was just being introduced) . . .
Thought Ninja would drive the price down on other solutions (which it did to some degree . . . Eventually).
Then there was the promise of the forthcoming Samurai . . . Thought maybe I should wait.
Didn't consider Shuttle 1 because, for me, uncompressed is unnecessary except maybe for green screen work.
When Shuttle 2 came out (at the same price as S1) I was all in!
While I use a Tekkeon MP3450 but you can power the shuttle with (for example) any of the Sony knockoff batteries and adapter plates on eBay or Amazon for less than fifty bucks.
What most people don't realize, with the shuttle, is that when you use external power you are using external power...not the internal battery (which is being charged by the external source...yes, even from DC external sources).
I think somebody said something about not knowing how much recording time is left on the Shuttle?
There's an LED system notifying you of approximately how much time is left.
The Shuttle, by the way, has pass through...both the HDMI and SDI out are live full time, which can be handy.
Anyhow, I'm not making an argument for one recorder over the other...
My decision was based largely by what was available at the time (and total cost of ownership).
Not that it would be my first choice but if my external monitor died in the field I'd like put my glasses on and use the AF100's LCD.
Odds are my Shuttle will be accompanying me as I move on to future cameras.
Best.
I was never able to get this to work! I tried with 3 different monitors. When the shuttle is connected to my AF100's SDI if I connect a HDMI cable to the shuttle it wont send any video out. Not live feed, not playback. I have no idea why. I know you have to press the stop button to toggle and all, but it will not work. Frustrating.