I want one of those. Which model are you talking about?
AF100 / AF101 - initial report
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I want one of those. Which model are you talking about?
Steve Kahn
Well-known member
I can understand why this guy is pissed.
People like Phil Bloom and Zacuto with their ridiculous "dSLR shootout" have made people think that these cheap little cameras werre our holy grail (much like Bloom did a couple years ago when he had a deal with Letus and at that point in time 35mm adapters were the holy grail.)
So under such fallacies if you sink your whole wad, and more importantly your heart, into that gear, no wonder some will feel disenfranchised and hurt, and pissed off.
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Why participate then in this thread.
If you have made this determination, then stay with what you have, or purchase something that meets your needs.
On another thread, I am assuming that this is a full raster cam at all resolutions; no spatial offset anything.
Am I correct?
The onus is on the consumer to research their options before they purchase. Use sources that you feel you can trust. People come to DVXUser and other sites like it to discover whatever they can before they buy.
If you've been a member here for any length of time, or followed the development of the AF100, you know that there is some grassroots synergy between DVXUser members and Panasonic. I have no proof of it, but my impression is that the AF100 is a direct result of the ongoing dialogue you've seen here on this forum.
I'm excited about this camera, but have no illusions that it's for everyone or suitable to every application. Nobody has been advocating that it is anything more than it is. To the contrary, I think the membership has largely been aligned for what the device should concentrate on doing and what isn't so important.
Steve Kahn
Well-known member
I believe you are right. Thank you for that. I too am looking forward to the AF100. If dvxuser had even the slightest input into the design then again, thank you. It is the camera I've been waiting for.
The remaining unknown for me is how the cam interacts with Nikon/Canon/Panasonic lenses, particularly with options for AF and zoom.
Rick Burnett
Section Moderator
This is not true, it's only a limitation of current technology in dSLRs at the moment. At some point, they will be able to read every pixel off the sensor and not have to pixel bin/etc like they are now.
In fact, I imagine in the future, more cameras will begin to shoot at higher resolutions like RED is doing so that things like aliasing can be minimized even further when using bayer pattern arrays.
That said, I am really glad the initial reports on the AF100 sound so good. My only hope now is that someone comes out with an electronic adapter so I can use my EOS lenses on it as well (Since I still use a still camera). I'd seriously consider one at this point.
Barry_Green
Moderator
No, actually, the website is right, and I had it wrong. I was basing my statement off the old NAB release that said VFR in 720p mode. So when they announced VFR in 1080p, I thought they meant "both", but instead they mean that VFR is available in 1080p *instead* of in 720p.
Barry_Green
Moderator
Not settled yet. It's still being worked on. The menus have ISOs from 200 to 3200. The working model had ISOs of 400, 800, and 1600 enabled. 1600 looked pretty usable, several people put it on 1600 and looked at the monitor and declared that they were impressed. But it's all preliminary; I asked them the ISO and they said that that's part of the remaining 30% that isn't done yet. It's subject to change.
Barry_Green
Moderator
No. USB is not used for live viewing. It's only used for transferring the card contents onto a computer.
Barry_Green
Moderator
720/25p is of course embedded in 720/50p, and 30p is embedded in 60p. There is no such thing as 720i.
Barry_Green
Moderator
No they won't. There's an adapter coming that will make EOS lenses fully compatible with the AF100, and should be out before the camera is even released.
Barry_Green
Moderator
There is one. Some of the prototypes don't have it, but one of them did, and I asked the product manager which one was accurate and he said "the final model will have the tape measure hook".
Barry_Green
Moderator
Actually, you can't. No matter how much you spend on a DSLR, you're not going to get a built-in waveform monitor, or overcranking in 1080p, or alias-free images, or metadata, user clip name control, cinelike-D gamma, user-saveable scene files, timecode, the ability to sync timecode with other camcorders through LTC, an HD-SDI output at full 1920x1080 @ 4:2:2 and running at 24pSf, live monitoring during recording through HDMI and HD-SDI and composite all simultaneously, built-in hassle-free neutral density filters, or any of the dozens of other things that the AF100 does that a DSLR cannot do and will never be able to do.
The GH1 is appropriate for those who want to hot-rod or hack their cameras. The AF100 is for those of us who want a rock-solid reliable product that has all the features and conveniences we need, without trying to resort to aftermarket modifications.
Not to mention of HD LCD and viewfinder.
Barry_Green
Moderator
Well, yes, sort of. Depends on what you mean by "full raster". If you mean "is it a 1920x1080 sensor" then probably not. It's probably a 4.5K or 5K chip, so far more than the native raster of the recording format. However, it's a Bayer-pattern sensor so you'll reduce that res somewhat.
I think the question you're asking is: is it gonna deliver a crisp sharp "full HD" picture in all modes? The answer, according to what I used, is "yes."
Rick Burnett
Section Moderator
Oh wow. Okay, yes, this was actually very important to me. Just out of curiosity, could I take this adapter and rent a GH1 and try it with my lenses then? I only ask as I want to see how I feel with 4/3 as I don't have experience with it and just frame some things I have shot with the same lenses and experiment with the DoF and such.
And thanks for all the detailed information. I really appreciate it. I know they may not know this yet, but any target on dynamic range? What they think they can hit?
Thanks!
Rick
Barry_Green
Moderator
DVXUsers definitely had heavy participation in influencing the feature-set of this camcorder. I participated in a group session of cinematographers and videographers, that had at least four of us DVXUsers represented. Probably more, but I didn't know everyone who was there.
Rick Burnett
Section Moderator
Oh! So are they downresing in camera from ~5k down to ~2k? ie, not using pixel binning. This would be one BIG reason aliasing is so reduced.
xmephestox
Carbonite Member
one of the most stellar things i've heard all day! that is amazing, AMAZING news. any chance you have enough nagging power to convince them that 10 bit SDI is a necessity and they have no choice about it?
