...When compared with other 1080 HD cameras shooting in real world situations the AF-100 image appears a little soft, even when put up against Panasonic's own GH2 EVIL camera. ( extremely low aliasing/moire, but a softer image )
Af 105a announced in japan
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...When compared with other 1080 HD cameras shooting in real world situations the AF-100 image appears a little soft, even when put up against Panasonic's own GH2 EVIL camera. ( extremely low aliasing/moire, but a softer image )
Barry_Green
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Jan is in Hurricane Sandy-ravaged New Jersey.
Barry_Green
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It is the Japanese version of the new AF100A.
Modified hardware, in that it's an upgrade like the AC130 to AC130A or AC160 to AC160A, because it now has the magnified focus assist. Other than that, I don't know any info on it.
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Barry_Green
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I don't think anyone can confirm anything at all yet, as this is the first pretty much anyone has heard of an AF100A at all... I would expect that it should also be going through HDMI but have no way to confirm that.
Barry_Green
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Just pointing out that the lowest-cost large-sensor professional video camera that does what you're talking about is the $16,000 C300, so you could say that there's $10,000 missing from the price...
But -- otherwise, this is exactly what I expected. This fits their pattern perfectly. Whether it's what people wanted or not, obviously that's for each person to decide, but I've been trying to say for a while that grand expectations of a vast revision were not reasonable to expect. This is an "A" revision, very much like the DVX100 to DVX100A or the AC160 to AC160A. This is not an AF250 or other new model, which a lot of people have been clamoring for, but given Panasonic's history of releasing models, it wasn't really realistic to expect such a thing so soon.
Soon, did I say? Yes, because it still hasn't even been two years since the AF100 was introduced. It came on the market at the end of december 2010, so we're still two months short of 2 years for the AF100 series. It seems like it's been much longer, especially with the rapid pace of introductions from the other manufacturers, but in real world calendar terms, they're pretty much right on schedule with their normal pattern.
Wait a sec...
From http://en.akihabaranews.com/120419/...e-ag-af100a-series-with-10-bit-422-hd-support
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The AG-AF100A Series can newly output HD signals with 10 bit 4:2:2 quality via the camera’s live output function and record onto the external devices, such as P2 Recorder, compatible with 10 bit high quality recording through SDI. P2 Recorder also syncs Rec Start/Stop with the AG-AF100A series trigger.
The AG-AF100A Series is newly equipped with the expand focus assist function, which enlarges the center of the displayed image, and 2.39:1 (cinema scope size) safety zone marker."
P2 recorder? Pie-in-the-sky, but I hope/pray they mean something newer/svelter than the HPG-20
...and I hadn't read about the expanded focus. Does the version on the 130a/160a work while recording? If they do it as an available hardware upgrade, I'm probably in for that. It'd be far far cheaper than jumping ship to a new camera system.
From http://en.akihabaranews.com/120419/...e-ag-af100a-series-with-10-bit-422-hd-support
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The AG-AF100A Series can newly output HD signals with 10 bit 4:2:2 quality via the camera’s live output function and record onto the external devices, such as P2 Recorder, compatible with 10 bit high quality recording through SDI. P2 Recorder also syncs Rec Start/Stop with the AG-AF100A series trigger.
The AG-AF100A Series is newly equipped with the expand focus assist function, which enlarges the center of the displayed image, and 2.39:1 (cinema scope size) safety zone marker."
P2 recorder? Pie-in-the-sky, but I hope/pray they mean something newer/svelter than the HPG-20
...and I hadn't read about the expanded focus. Does the version on the 130a/160a work while recording? If they do it as an available hardware upgrade, I'm probably in for that. It'd be far far cheaper than jumping ship to a new camera system.
Barry_Green
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That has been the eternal question. They didn't offer it in the original AF100, or the AC130, or the AC160, or the AC90. This has now been rectified in the AF100A, AC130A, and AC160A, but the AC90 still doesn't have it.
Barry_Green
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No new announcement of anything smaller that I know of. They're saying the record trigger flags will work with any P2 recorder, so the HPG20, the HPD24, the HPM110 or 200 or whatever version that thing's on now, etc.
It does not. It's only for when paused, it goes away during recording.
joe 1008
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Indeed, Barry. It feels like it was three years ago. I would have bet it's been three years. Weird times.
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ive been shooting with the c300 recently and coming back to my af100 with no focus magnify... AARGH!
this latest version of af100 wouldve had a longer life 2 years ago. i wouldve bought a samurai for it.
should we expect a better overexposure handling on this one? or ac160a doesnt have this too?
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Barry_Green
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There was no change to that in the AC160A. As for the AF100A, I don't think there's any information known beyond that engadget posting so no answers yet.
Scott Wellington
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If XAVC recording codecs are on the market now for internal recording, which is a much higher MBPS, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XAVC from Sony for 4k recording at 300 mbps
Sony and Panasonic developed AVCHD together, why can't they share it together? Where is XAVC for Panansonic?
Sony and Panasonic developed AVCHD together, why can't they share it together? Where is XAVC for Panansonic?
Bern Caughey
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Utterly disappointing. And inexcusable in today's marketplace.
Hopefully Panasonic has something up they're sleeve for NAB, but then again it probably won't be widely available until 2014.
Seems many will move to other brands well before that.
Wesley Byram
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This actually looks like a pretty solid tool if the street price remains the same as that of the current AF100. What other camera offers 10-bit output and slow-mo options for around $3500? It's kind of tempting to me as I already have a Hyperdeck Shuttle.
miko meloni
Active member
Simply ridiculous now.
The GH3 it's going out with a better codec and datarate!
I was waiting something interesting from the Panasonic silence, but seem a
real new camera would delay
The GH3 it's going out with a better codec and datarate!
I was waiting something interesting from the Panasonic silence, but seem a
real new camera would delay
Erik Naso
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I know it's Panasonic's cycle but times have changed dramatically and MFT needs to move forward. This camera isn't one I will buy mainly because Im not interested in external recorders. If the 10 bit 4:2:2 signal coming out is much better than the internal codec records then maybe I would think about buying one but then I would have to invest in an external recorder that will be a permanent part of the rig. That I don't like. So the investment just went up. We have seen how the AF-100 SDI out wasn't much better. I'm wondering if it's the same sensor or a newer version of it. If the image is pretty much the same then it's a hard sell to make current owners want to re-invest. I have a feeling if you own an AF-100 now you aren't going to sell it and buy this one.
I wouldn't imagine it was designed as a buy for current owners, much like the HVX200a wasn't THAT much better than the original (still rocking my 200P occasionally).
Now on to the obligatory fervent defense of the AF system: Might not work for everyone, but it'll surely work for some... me, for instance. If they offer the option of changing out an internal widget or two for a couple hundred shekels to bring my AF100 to "A"-standard, that'll be a heck of a lot more sensible for me than jumping to a wholly different camera system. Doubly so if they (by chance) also introduce a compact, well-integrated P2 recorder. The AF's whole schtick is being an affordable, ultra-portable, self-contained large sensor cinema camera system... and at its price point, only really has to beat the Sony VG series. I'm not going there and I'm not dumping 2x the price on a camera with marginally better IQ. I'm not fuddling through dual-system audio with a 6D, 5D3, GH3 or other DSLR. I'm not hauling 3x the weight of larger format lenses in equivalent speed and range to what m43 provides. I'm not switching to another system until this thing simply cannot do the job any more. Judging by work rates and frequency out there, plenty of people must surely be reaching the same financial certainty.
The only thing the AF has utterly failed to do for me in the time I've owned it is to appease certain producers by having "Canon" stamped upon it somewhere. Apart from that, it's cheap, and it works well, reliably, and quick, and is perfectly fine for my bread & butter interviews, docs, and web videos. The day I'm called upon to shoot Terrence Malick's next feature, then I'll probably rent something nicer.
Now on to the obligatory fervent defense of the AF system: Might not work for everyone, but it'll surely work for some... me, for instance. If they offer the option of changing out an internal widget or two for a couple hundred shekels to bring my AF100 to "A"-standard, that'll be a heck of a lot more sensible for me than jumping to a wholly different camera system. Doubly so if they (by chance) also introduce a compact, well-integrated P2 recorder. The AF's whole schtick is being an affordable, ultra-portable, self-contained large sensor cinema camera system... and at its price point, only really has to beat the Sony VG series. I'm not going there and I'm not dumping 2x the price on a camera with marginally better IQ. I'm not fuddling through dual-system audio with a 6D, 5D3, GH3 or other DSLR. I'm not hauling 3x the weight of larger format lenses in equivalent speed and range to what m43 provides. I'm not switching to another system until this thing simply cannot do the job any more. Judging by work rates and frequency out there, plenty of people must surely be reaching the same financial certainty.
The only thing the AF has utterly failed to do for me in the time I've owned it is to appease certain producers by having "Canon" stamped upon it somewhere. Apart from that, it's cheap, and it works well, reliably, and quick, and is perfectly fine for my bread & butter interviews, docs, and web videos. The day I'm called upon to shoot Terrence Malick's next feature, then I'll probably rent something nicer.
dustylense
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10bit 422 sounds nice and all, but if this is the same chip without any new tweaks such a log gamma or other perks, count me out. If I want the 10bit 422 out I'll take a look at the F3. I know these companies in Japan are reporting huge loses, but Panny should get off their butt and get the new codec carrying 10bit 422 inside the camera. S that means announcing an AF200 to me. Until then, I'm not looking to Panny in the near term future at all....I'm still using the af100 for things here and there, but it's starting to collect some bench time.