Advice on lenses for a beginner

Hello all, firstly thanks to anyone that takes the time to read through this post!

Finally, after 5 years of studying media production in the UK, I am about to start my own venture into the world of video production. I've spent weeks, if not months, trying to figure out what camera would best suit me. At University we worked with Sony EX1s and I found them a joy to work with. On the other hand I couldn't help but think how less "cinematic" they looked compared to what others were doing with their DSLR cameras. After looking into the possibility of buying a DSLR myself I decided against it - I find the FS100 a great happy-medium between the choice of DSLR and standard ENG type cameras. Amazing visuals but with more conventional features I'm used to.

One issue is really bugging me though, despite reading dozens of threads on here about the subject: lenses. It occurred to me that I'm just not as clued up about them as I'd like, and despite all the reading I've done I'm having a hard time deciding on what I should get.

I've opted for the FS100 model which doesn't come with the stock lens - after factoring in the cost of the camera, a decent bag and some budget steadycam, tripod & slider equipment I'm left with roughly £400 on lenses. This probably seems ridiculously low but it's all I have in the mean time - I obviously intend to add to my collection further down the line. If it is indeed too low then I may consider leaving out the steadycam equipment which would take my budget to £600 - but ideally I'd rather keep it.

Just to give a quick outline of the type of work I aim to be doing - I'll be working on a Greek island full of amazing scenery - and I'll mainly be looking to produce advertisements and small scale events in between my own personal projects. As someone who's worked with ENG cameras throughout the last 5 years I just don't know where to start in terms of lenses.

My thinking is to get 1 cheap e-mount lens: I'm considering the Sigma 19mm or 30mm lenses which go for around £100, or the Sony SELP 1650 which can be bought for around £150 on ebay. My thinking is that as I'll be using cheaper adapters for other lenses it'd be best to have at least 1 basic e-mount lens to fall back on - hopefully I'll be able to get a metabones adapter somewhere down the line.

So I'm left with around £250-300 or £450-500 on other lenses (if I drop the steadycam system). I looked into the best budget options and from what I gather Canon FD lenses can be found at relatively cheap prices yet are more than capable. I'd like to have at least another 2 lenses as well as the e-mount lens, so the low prices seem ideal. My first criteria would be one with a decent zoom in order for getting good shots when I'm up in the mountains. Otherwise I'm open to pretty much anything that suits my budget.

I feel a little guilty coming on here asking all these questions, but from what I've read the community on here seems very friendly. This is a massive investment for me and I've stayed up for nights on end reading through countless reviews to the point where I just don't even know where to begin. So again, thanks for reading through all this and I appreciate any comments at all!
 
I have been shooting video and film for 30+ years and have used all kinds of cameras and lenses. I have an FS100 with the stock lens. I also have a Metabones adapter and a few Canon lenses for the FS100 but I use the stock lens 95% of the time. I think the stock lens is the first lens you should get because it is so versatile. Sure, it's not the best or fastest lens around but it will get the job done on the vast majority of situations. I particularly like the active stabilization of the lens - I think is it amazing and the auto focus is very good once you learn what it can and can not do. If you do any handheld work, the stock lens will pay off in spades with its stabilization. If you want to pull focus, the stock lens is not for you. If you do any run and gun work, primes just won't cut it - by time you change the lens your shot will be gone.
 
You are off to a good start! I believe you are correct in looking at Canon FD lenses. I've been buying them up when I find good deals and I now have about 50 :) The best bang for your buck in the zoom category is the 35-105 f3.5. It should be less than $100 and has a macro function as well. The real gems are the primes however. The 50 1.4 is a great bargain for around $85, and the 50mm 1.8 is ridiculously cheap and still looks great. It feels like a toy, but for $25 what do you expect? If you want to put together a super cheap set I'd be willing to offload some of my doubles for less than market value. I've also got some zooms that you may be interested in. Send me a PM if you are interested. Good luck dude.
 
I have been shooting video and film for 30+ years and have used all kinds of cameras and lenses. I have an FS100 with the stock lens. I also have a Metabones adapter and a few Canon lenses for the FS100 but I use the stock lens 95% of the time. I think the stock lens is the first lens you should get because it is so versatile. Sure, it's not the best or fastest lens around but it will get the job done on the vast majority of situations. I particularly like the active stabilization of the lens - I think is it amazing and the auto focus is very good once you learn what it can and can not do. If you do any handheld work, the stock lens will pay off in spades with its stabilization. If you want to pull focus, the stock lens is not for you. If you do any run and gun work, primes just won't cut it - by time you change the lens your shot will be gone.
Really appreciate your input, to get a reply with someone with as much experience as you is exactly why I signed up, so thanks. I've read conflicting things about the stock lens, but overall the feeling I got from this forum is that it's worth getting. However, due to my limited budget, I feel I'd be better off getting cheaper lenses which will allow me to have more options. Since I'm starting out I think I'd benefit from being able to use several lenses in order to get a feel for what I'm doing.

Essentially I'm looking to get a cheaper e-mount as an alternative to the stock lens for run & gun - the SEL1650 seems like it'd do the job?

You are off to a good start! I believe you are correct in looking at Canon FD lenses. I've been buying them up when I find good deals and I now have about 50 :) The best bang for your buck in the zoom category is the 35-105 f3.5. It should be less than $100 and has a macro function as well. The real gems are the primes however. The 50 1.4 is a great bargain for around $85, and the 50mm 1.8 is ridiculously cheap and still looks great. It feels like a toy, but for $25 what do you expect? If you want to put together a super cheap set I'd be willing to offload some of my doubles for less than market value. I've also got some zooms that you may be interested in. Send me a PM if you are interested. Good luck dude.

This is great to hear, FD seems the way to go in terms of my budget. I'll most certainly send you a message although it'd probably boil down to where you're sending it from! Regardless, thanks for the input. I'm so glad I decided to post here!
 
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" I'm considering the Sigma 19mm or 30mm lenses which go for around £100"


I bought both those from B & H for $200. They are very sharp, not particularly slow (F 2.8) and very useful. They even have auto focus- not speedy, but they have it. I'm doing a "parnormal" type reality show tomorrow and planning to run and gun using mainly the 19mm.
 
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" I'm considering the Sigma 19mm or 30mm lenses which go for around £100"


I bought both those from B & H for $200. They are very sharp, not particularly slow (F 2.8) and very useful. They even have auto focus- not speedy, but they have it. I'm doing a "parnormal" type reality show tomorrow and planning to run and gun using mainly the 19mm.
Hey, thanks for the reply! I'm still considering getting one or the other - I was thinking the 19mm as I could do with a wide angle. If you'll have any footage from them uploaded at any point I'd be interested in seeing it.
 
Most of this carnival video was shot with the 19mm.

Bad news is that the lenses seem to be discontinued and B & H no longer has the combo deal. The new version is looks sleeker but costs more.
 
Very nice video, love the fs700s slow motion. Thanks for sharing. I'm able to order the older 19mm model from Amazon for £100 which I'll probably consider, either that or maybe a bit more on the sony 16mm pancake which can be upgraded to a fisheye lens.
 
I have been shooting video and film for 30+ years and have used all kinds of cameras and lenses. I have an FS100 with the stock lens. I also have a Metabones adapter and a few Canon lenses for the FS100 but I use the stock lens 95% of the time. I think the stock lens is the first lens you should get because it is so versatile. Sure, it's not the best or fastest lens around but it will get the job done on the vast majority of situations. I particularly like the active stabilization of the lens - I think is it amazing and the auto focus is very good once you learn what it can and can not do. If you do any handheld work, the stock lens will pay off in spades with its stabilization. If you want to pull focus, the stock lens is not for you. If you do any run and gun work, primes just won't cut it - by time you change the lens your shot will be gone.

What this guy said....not the fastest glass but it's on my cam 75% of the time.
 
Well I use both Canon EF and FD lenses. I also have the Sony E-mount 18-55 with autofocus that came with the Sony NEX-5 photo camera.

I compared both the Canon EF and FD lenses in this short video : https://vimeo.com/35591674
I also compared the Metabones original and Speedbooster adapter in this video : https://vimeo.com/58343386

I hope it will help you.

Most of the time I do handheld jobs. Then I use the Canon EF-S 18-55 2.8 IS lens. Wonderful IS.
But the manual focus on the EF-S is horrible and than I use the Canon FD lenses.
Manual focus on the Canon EF L 16-35 2.8 is better than on the EF-S.
 
FD lenses. Best bang for the buck out there, plus they have long focus throws and the fast SSC versions look just like K35 Cine primes. Same glass billets likely. just gorgeous.
 
FD lenses. Best bang for the buck out there, plus they have long focus throws and the fast SSC versions look just like K35 Cine primes. Same glass billets likely. just gorgeous.
Yesterday I ordered the 50mm f1.4 SSC in amazing condition (ebay link), really excited to try it out and hopefully build on that. It seemed like the best starting investment and I spared no expenses as I wanted the best condition one. Any other essential FD lenses? Was looking at the Canon FD 50mm f3.5 macro - are they any good?
 
That a very good lens.


Don't know about that one. But I have the Canon FD 28-50 3.5 SSC Macro it fine. It's a zoom so the fixed one should be better.

I'm still hoping that there will be a Speedbooster adapter for the Canon Fd lenses.
Thanks for the input! There's actually a cheap Chinese FD speedbooster that's come out but people are reporting issues. Called the Lens Turbo, can be found on ebay. There's a thread here: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?306651-New-chinese-Nikon-NEX-speedbooster-200/page4
 
Metabones tells me they're going to introduce an FD speed booster in August. But you can also adapt many FD lenses to EOS using the EdMika kits on sale on ebay. Somewhat expensive, but you may have to consolidate your lenses into a single mount eventually anyway.

Also, the SEL1650 is unacceptable for video. Too much barrel distortion on the wide end (fixed by the jpeg engines of the NEX still cameras but not by your FS100), and the combined servo zoom/focus ring is unusable.

If you can live with servo focus and the teeny iris dial on the FS100, you may also consider the e-mount prime lenses, specifically the SEL35f18 and SEL50f18 OSS.
 
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Metabones tells me they're going to introduce an FD speed booster in August. But you can also adapt many FD lenses to EOS using the EdMika kits on sale on ebay. Somewhat expensive, but you may have to consolidate your lenses into a single mount eventually anyway.

Also, the SEL1650 is unacceptable for video. Too much barrel distortion on the wide end (fixed by the jpeg engines of the NEX still cameras but not by your FS100), and the combined servo zoom/focus ring is unusable.

If you can live with servo focus and the teeny iris dial on the FS100, you may also consider the e-mount prime lenses, specifically the SEL35f18 and SEL50f18 OSS.
Thanks for the heads up, will avoid the 1650 then. A Metabones FD speedbooster sounds appealing though.
 
I would suggest..

Kit lens.

manual 18 prime (when you have the budget)

manual 35-70 zoom

manual random other primes 24 50 85 (when you have the budget)
 
I have almost the exact same kit that Sam mentions above.: A fast zoom with contacts (primarily for the benefits of image stabilization) that lives in the case with the camera, and a separate case with five fast manual primes (all Nikkor AI-S; future-proof and adaptable to almost any camera body). When I wind up with a new camera body with a different mount, I sell the zoom and buy another that is designed to have automatic functionality with that camera. I buy a new adapter for my Nikkor primes.

I also have a nice macro lens and some effects lenses that can go in the case if I need them.

So far it's worked for me!
 
Yep - there may be one difference..

My 18 and my 35-70 (or 28-85) live in my main bag with the kit zoom - giving me a good range from one bag

I then have primes in a second bag.

When shooting solo that second bag stays at home.

S
 
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