a7S II announced!!
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cpc
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Down here:
http://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/i...m2?cpint=1:HOMEPAGE_THELATEST8SPAN_A7SM2_1953
(Also note that the marketing blurb for both the A7s and the A7sII claims 1300% DR.)
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paulcurtis
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The real life range of the A7s is 11 stops maybe. If the MkII is a stop better, maybe more, but you're still way below filling the full 15 stop bucket of Slog3. So rather than waste some of the potential bucket, if you chop the top off the bucket then you can spread the 8 bit better and where it counts.
Fine by me, so long as we don't clip what the camera can do.
A newsshooter article states the natural iso of the sensor is still 3200, but it's effectively 1600 in Slog3. To my mind one of the ways noise is reduced is by doing what we all do and expose a stop over and bring it down.
The same article says they were told the colour science is similar to the A7rII which does appear to be improved over the old A7s
We won't really be able to tell until we see real footage and tests. I really don't like the sony demos, they have a very Japanese video aesthetic.
cheers
Paul
dmitrizigany
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But since it was only you and about three others that bought the VG900 that is unlikely
But I'm sure there will be some form of full frame camcorder in the not too distant future. Expected the FS5 to be that.
The answer is yes! You can use any lens/adapter combination that you please. ISBS works independently from lens. Also if lens that you use does have IS, OSS, etc ... you should turn it off.
Me like this a lot - not perfect, but which cam is. That said, I think $3K is a stretch without internal ND filters incorporated... for those who know the tech behind this - how realistic is it to have internal ND filters in a body as small as the A7S(II)? Here's my problem - with native ISO so high, you pretty much have to use ND filters most of the time for exteriors, so it's kind of a requirement, not really optional, unless you are willing to control through aperture which is not the same thing. Am I asking too much for internal NDs in the A7S(x), or is this just not realistic? I suppose there could be some nifty electronic ND, but for now it is what it is. Any hope, or should I just put this point out of my mind?
Emanuel
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Hold on your dreams, Samuel. I bet it can only be the processor and not the sensor or you'd still have the same overheating when triggered from an external recorder. I guess the a7S will have more or less the same trouble, unless for lower downsampling task to handle the pressure. In any case, I don't think it will be much different. Sorry to burst your bubble, my friend (E
combatentropy
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Hard if 135. Maybe S35. There must be room for the filter to slide out of the way, either to the left, right, top, or bottom. That is unless you're okay with an electronic one (polarizing LCD) permanently in front, which I think can get only so clear. It would always cut light by at least a stop or so, last I heard.
That being said, I think it's time. What would you say if a DSLR had ND filters, a good 4" flip-out screen, the XLR-K2M on top, and decent battery life (perhaps an L-series battery attached to the bottom or on an arm extending backward)? Practically ENG, huh?
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Thanks. Yeah, that would be interesting; there's got to be an opening in the market for something like what you describe - maybe Samsung? With Samsung you never feel they're holding back, because they know they're last of the pack and need to prove themselves. The trouble with leaders such as Sony or Panasonic, and even worse, Canon, is they feel so secure in their dominance that they feel they can hold back on this feature or that in a given model to differentiate, protect and allow evolutionary rather than revolutionary development. But Samsung has nothing to protect and they need to shout to be noticed, so they throw it all in - at least that's the impression I've gotten with the whole NX1 saga... too bad their mount is so inflexible, so no SpeedBooster
- which kills the lens lineup.Matt Allard's interview with a Sony rep.
http://www.newsshooter.com/2015/09/11/ibc-2015-a-detailed-look-at-the-new-sony-a7s-ii-camera/
http://www.newsshooter.com/2015/09/11/ibc-2015-a-detailed-look-at-the-new-sony-a7s-ii-camera/
squig
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Such a shame Sony haven't gone with 10bit or raw recording (and yeah I've heard all the corporate defences but people aren't going to stop buying F55s just because a DSLR records raw (well not that many). The A7s has been a disappointment for my narrative work, I went back to shooting raw with the 5DMKIII after I tested the A7s. The 8bit files are no match for raw, especially with skin. Maybe s-log 3 and internal 4k will produce a more robust image, but I'm not holding my breath. If Canon has any hope of catching up to Sony they're going to have to enable raw recording on the next 5D. The Sonys are way ahead of Canon in every other department. Looks like I'll be shooting with a hacked camera for a while longer. The A7sII sounds very raw hack worthy (nudge nudge wink wink).
bboyfasteddie
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Ummm so the link on the first post says raw output 14 bit, while b&h says uncompressed hdmi out at 4:2:2... don't think anyone mentioned that
Edit: oh wait, the raw output is talking about stills isn't it
Edit: oh wait, the raw output is talking about stills isn't it
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Honestly yes you are asking too much. Specially if you think $3000 is much. The camera would have to be much bigger than now too. I think not even if it was as big as the Blackmagic 4K camera it would be enough. Don't forget too this is still a stills camera. Who needs ND in the stills world? Not happening. Because a stills camera with ND would need to be camcorder sized and would no longer be a stills camera. It would then be a camcorder. If you want that Sony will tell you they already make several camcorders.
paulcurtis
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You can get some lens adapters (to emount) with NDs built in, but it's a fairly bulky arrangement.
I just don't think there's any way you're going to get anything mechanical in that size, the FS5 would be a better bet.
Using external NDs, whilst a bit of a pain, has been pretty standard fare for a long time.
cheers
Paul
Bassman2003
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When I survey the new camera landscape, I come to the same conclusion. The 5DRAW image is just really nice. If one is not delivering in 4k or does not need any slo-mo it is at the top of the heap imho. RAW is worth a lot more than resolution in my book.
But I do not expect Canon to do anything spectacular in the next 5D for video. I expect a "soft" version of 4k just to say they offer it.