There's supposedly a major Sony get-together scheduled for Wednesday (or could be several Wednesdays, if it's spread across the globe). A6100 might be on the docket. Which means that Sony is back on the topic.
a6300 news
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Ditto. I was related to an electrical engineer ... was ... :-( In a couple of days it would've been my father's birthday.
He was a huge influence on my life in becoming the techy geeky guy I am today!
I had an A5100, if it simply did not overheat (which I could "most of the time" kinda work around sort of, but it was still annoying) and had a hotshoe plus audio in/out jacks then it would be an almost perfect camera for its purpose! Throw in s-log2 too and we'd be happy as a pig in sh*t!
The A6000 didn't overheat (much?), so maybe it simply needed a slightly bigger body to handle the heat? Though I heard when XAVCs got added to the A6000 (which the A5100 had from the start!! :-D ) that overheating became a little bit more of an issue for the A6000?
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At loooooong last the very long awaited Sony A6300 has been announced (along with 3 sweet sweet lenses, that Sony E mount desperately needs).
These specs in particular are juicy:
new 24MP BSI sensor (yay, BSI!)
11fps
4D focus
4K 30fps video (no pixel binning 14 stops dynamic range, 100MPS)
S-Gamut3.Cine/S-Log-3 and S-Gamut3/S-Log3 profiles
1080p120 slow motion
Under US$1k (I think this price is quite reasonable compared to what a GH4 or NX1 was when first released. Yes, I'd like it to be less! So I can wait, once a sale arrives or it shows up secondhand/refurbished that should shave off a few hundred dollars fo rme)
Weather sealed body
422 over HDMI
Switchable NTSC/PAL (phew!! Thank goodness for that)
14bit photos
Mic jack input.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...ce6300_b_alpha_a63000_mirrorless_digital.html
I no longer want a Sony A7s mk1 secondhand (which is a similar, or greater, price), I think I'll hold out on seeing this A6300 go on sale instead! :-D
These specs in particular are juicy:
new 24MP BSI sensor (yay, BSI!)
11fps
4D focus
4K 30fps video (no pixel binning 14 stops dynamic range, 100MPS)
S-Gamut3.Cine/S-Log-3 and S-Gamut3/S-Log3 profiles
1080p120 slow motion
Under US$1k (I think this price is quite reasonable compared to what a GH4 or NX1 was when first released. Yes, I'd like it to be less! So I can wait, once a sale arrives or it shows up secondhand/refurbished that should shave off a few hundred dollars fo rme)
Weather sealed body
422 over HDMI
Switchable NTSC/PAL (phew!! Thank goodness for that)
14bit photos
Mic jack input.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...ce6300_b_alpha_a63000_mirrorless_digital.html
I no longer want a Sony A7s mk1 secondhand (which is a similar, or greater, price), I think I'll hold out on seeing this A6300 go on sale instead! :-D
Great! Thanks!
M. Gilden
Canon DSLR Moderator
The lack of a hotshoe is pretty annoying, but I always intended to use as either a B-camera to my A7S (where internal mic would be enough to sync up) if not attached to my Atomos Ninja 2, which has its own sound input jack. In fact, I recently recorded two youtube demonstration videos with it, using a lav plugged into the Atomos audio input and the video out the hdmi from the A5100. Workflow was awesome- pop out the drive from the Atomos, start editing. Sound and video are already in synced tracks.
Would sure be nice to attach an external flash for stills though. Took it on a trip last week for family pics and found the pop up flash all over the place with intensity (I started walking around with a piece of tissue paper to diffuse it).
So three things I want to know:
1) Is this going to have the same new advanced phase detection system as the A7R2? I can't afford one of those right now, but I love the idea that it can focus at relatively native speed with adapted DSLR lenses (Canon lenses don't take 3-5 seconds to focus, and A-mount no longer requires a mirrored adapter. So far, the A7R2 is the only E-mount to offer this). That would be game changer in a camera at this price.
2) Will it have THE WAXY SKIN BUG when using HDMI out that the A5100 and A6000 currently still have?
3) Will it have the same overheating issues that every Sony save for the A7S has? This is more of an issue depending on the answer to #2. If we can get a clean external recording, the camera can be used for shorter takes and long takes acheived externally where it won't heat up. As long it doesn't have the same blasted bug I'm working around on the A5100 and A6000!
M. Gilden
Canon DSLR Moderator
Not a joke. Its amazing. No limits, no overheating, and battery literally lasts hours (or at least an hour and a half in my stress test feeding my Atomos Ninja 2).
The only problem is that Sony has this ridiculous skin smoothing bug that you need to work around.
More on that in the community forum link above, or here's my video demonstrating it and how to work around it:
I just bought the a7RII. Except i'm shooting in S35. Trying to figure out why i should keep it, rather than return it for the upcoming a6300.
120fps is full 1080 (a7rii 720p)
Slog 3
More AF Points, probably faster AF for video
Seems to do everything i'm using the a7RII for, other than IBIS and Full Frame (mode not as good for video anyway). I love the a7RII for photos as well, but to save $2400 i could deal with a small downgrade there.
What do you all think? For S35 video, any reason to keep the a7RII now?
120fps is full 1080 (a7rii 720p)
Slog 3
More AF Points, probably faster AF for video
Seems to do everything i'm using the a7RII for, other than IBIS and Full Frame (mode not as good for video anyway). I love the a7RII for photos as well, but to save $2400 i could deal with a small downgrade there.
What do you all think? For S35 video, any reason to keep the a7RII now?
M. Gilden
Canon DSLR Moderator
Depends, do you also want to use it for stills?
I'll be honest, IBIS is something I often wish my A7S original had for video. I wouldn't dismiss that so quickly, considering how much money you'd have to spend in stabilized versions of the lenses you'd want to use to get the same effect without it. The A7R2 also has a headphone jack which the A6300 does not.
Also, the A7R2's AF is top-notch, and we have yet to see if the 6300 will inherit its full PDAF system. Remember, the A7R2 was the first E-mount that can work with adapted lenses from DSLR systems at nearly native AF speeds. The A6000 was also touted to have the worlds fastest AF, but adapted Canon glass is slooooow to focus on it, and it still required a mirrored adapter to work properly with A-mount in relatively normal speed. IF the 6300 has the same system as the A7R2, I'd be super excited to get that in a more affordable body. But I'd guess that it would be the same at best, not necessarily faster than what you already have. Also, don't forget the BSI sensor is supposed to be pretty awesome in low light. This one isn't BSI.
This. For video, the a6300 should be everything the A7rii is with less sensitivity (we have yet to see IQ, but should be close). A7rii doesn't seem like it's worth it, over an A7s + A6300 combo. You could purchase something like a used A7s, a6300, AND a 4K external recorder for only a couple $$ over the A7rii. Unless photography is essential to you, I would say the latter is the better option.
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The recorder + used a7s + a6300 should cost anywhere from $3500 to mid $4000's, so the pricing is not entirely in line with the single A7rii.
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You bring up good points. IBIS can be important for some, and we have yet to confirm AF speed. Any idea why the a6000 had slow AF with adapted Cannon glass? It seems like the a6000 had superior autofocus to the original A7 series (stats-wise).
M. Gilden
Canon DSLR Moderator
I have a few theories based on my experiments with it, but in a nutshell, contrast-detect focus (which most mirrorless systems use) works differently than phase detection (what most DSLRs use).
Phase detection is super cool, it actually uses a set of sensors a certain distance apart to triangulate the distance of an object. Once it does the math, it tells the focus motor "THIS THING IS X AMOUNT OF DISTANCE AWAY, JUMP TO THAT RIGHT NOW!" and the motor will jump to life in a bout of quick-and-dirty steampunk style high speed whirring, then stop. You are ready to take the picture. This is why sometimes DSLR lenses need to calibrated for things like back focus, if the gear is out of alignment consistently missing the mark it knows to be in focus.
Contrast detection focus isn't as exact of a science. It requires a bit of high-speed trial-and-error as it makes tiny adjustments to the focus and analyzes sections of pixels to see if they look sharp yet (if they have contrast to one another). Most mirrorless systems use this as traditional phase sensors exist on the mirror. Our mirrorless lenses are therefore designed with focus motors that can handle that sort of microadjustment at relative speed, and why DSLR lenses in general were rubbish for AF during video.
The A6000 was super fast because it had a hybrid system of contrast and phase detect. It wasn't a full time phase detect, but it could take a lot of the guess work out of the contrast system's hunting for focus. Since the motor in the E-mount glass was designed for sudden repetitive adjustments, this system works very well. But throw a DSLR lens on there, and it will act like... well, ever try to focus on a Canon DSLR in live view mode? That's essentially the same thing- trying to determine focus by hunting around on a motor designed to jump into place one whirr at a time. I would imagine STM lenses would work a little better, but I don't know if those are even compatible with the adapters or not.
The A7R2, however, is the first E-mount with a full time PDAF system on the sensor. That means it can work with DSLR lenses the way they were designed to be used in the first place.
...I could be wrong about any or all of this, but this is how I understand it and it makes a lot of sense to me the more I think about it. As far as what this means for the A6300, it could just be a more advanced version of the hybrid a6000, and may or may not be inferior to that of the A7R2. We can only speculate for now I guess.
Thanks for the explanation!
From b&h:
Also, the interview with Kenta Honjo suggests it's their fastest AF system. I could be wrong, but I believe this was also true of the a6000; It had a better AF system than the a7 Mk I lineup, and the a7II used a similarly improved hybrid system. I suppose there's a very solid chance that this new AF system is faster than that of the a7RII and will be the new benchmark for the a7III series.
From b&h:
Also, the interview with Kenta Honjo suggests it's their fastest AF system. I could be wrong, but I believe this was also true of the a6000; It had a better AF system than the a7 Mk I lineup, and the a7II used a similarly improved hybrid system. I suppose there's a very solid chance that this new AF system is faster than that of the a7RII and will be the new benchmark for the a7III series.
No touch screen or IBIS in an APS-C flagship - bold move by Sony. No doubt it will sell, but everyone is thinking the same thing about it being held back.
I will pass it on. Stabilized 21, 28, 35 native primes are too fun on the S II. I will it admit to being tempted at least.
I will pass it on. Stabilized 21, 28, 35 native primes are too fun on the S II. I will it admit to being tempted at least.
Some of these questions are answered here -
And, personally, I think you look good with the waxy skin ... sort of like Lenin.
M. Gilden
Canon DSLR Moderator
ROFL- I feel more like I look like a Madame Tussaud's version of myself that came to life in a freak lightening storm. (Hey, short film idea! Made possible by shooting with Sony cameras!)
Joking aside, I saw that video. It didn't answer ANY of my questions! :/
Not even the one I have about the G-master lenses that I didn't mention- are they all focus by wire? Rumor was they were going to release some new pro lenses that had actual mechanical focus gears, and I honestly felt like at one point he was *about* to go there. He starts saying that they took into consideration that these lenses wouldn't just be used by photographers, but also videographers, who obviously have different needs in a lens and they wanted to incorporate those considerations going forward. The B&H guy asked him what that entails... (I'm on the edge of my seat at this point)... and he starts to talk about silent AF motors. REALLY?! I don't think that was anyone's complaint on the current lenses. Ugh. So we still don't know!
I'm 0 for 4 until someone gets one in their hands. Although I have good reason to think #1 might be true based on some of the advertising literature.