T2i a letter to Mr. Yuichi Ishizuka, VP of Canon Imaging re: the T2i

Fahad said:
yeah, i think the whole thing boils down to budget, type of project, experience, goals, expectations and the like.

there's a lot of people here with different backgrounds and goals. and of course, everyone responds to a certain aspect of filmmaking with all that baggage, if you will, fueling his/her response.

of course for the professional that works with an average budget of, say, $50,000 and a certain expectation from his/her client of X is going to offer a different opinion than a person working with an average budget $500 and expectation Y.

all in all i'm happy things are getting cheaper to do all the time. these cameras are basically computers. and computers are getting cheaper, faster, and more efficient over time. eventually, i think the only thing that will cost a lot of money is the crew/labor/talent i. e. the human element. maybe locations.
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agreed. my fiancee has a T2i i bought for her; she LOVES it. ok im lying, i bought it for her to be disinterested in so i could use it, and it backfired and she doesnt let it out of her damn sight. still, it has amazing video capabilities.
 
The biggest issue I have with dual system sound is that it doesn't fit with the way I edit. I use Sony Vegas and to edit I open a clip in the trimmer, select the portion I want, and drag it to the timeline. I know many people just drag all their clips to the timeline and and delete the unwanted stuff. That's fine and dandy for short projects and works great for dual system sound but for feature work that would seem like a nightmare to me. So until Vegas let's me swap out the audio of my source clips, I need to record sound in camera.
 
El Director said:
The biggest issue I have with dual system sound is that it doesn't fit with the way I edit. I use Sony Vegas and to edit I open a clip in the trimmer, select the portion I want, and drag it to the timeline. I know many people just drag all their clips to the timeline and and delete the unwanted stuff. That's fine and dandy for short projects and works great for dual system sound but for feature work that would seem like a nightmare to me. So until Vegas let's me swap out the audio of my source clips, I need to record sound in camera.
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lol who said editing was easy or simple?
 
Zissou said:
agreed. my fiancee has a T2i i bought for her; she LOVES it. ok im lying, i bought it for her to be disinterested in so i could use it, and it backfired and she doesnt let it out of her damn sight. still, it has amazing video capabilities.
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poor you! :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

yeah the t2i is a nice little camera. perfect for some, garbage for others.
 
El Director said:
The biggest issue I have with dual system sound is that it doesn't fit with the way I edit. I use Sony Vegas and to edit I open a clip in the trimmer, select the portion I want, and drag it to the timeline. I know many people just drag all their clips to the timeline and and delete the unwanted stuff. That's fine and dandy for short projects and works great for dual system sound but for feature work that would seem like a nightmare to me. So until Vegas let's me swap out the audio of my source clips, I need to record sound in camera.
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this is also a major gripe of mine- in FCP you can sync a clip with seperate audio and sub-clip it and then store it back in the media bin. It then acts as a normal clip even though its audio was from a difference source.
 
Edweirdo said:
this is also a major gripe of mine- in FCP you can sync a clip with seperate audio and sub-clip it and then store it back in the media bin. It then acts as a normal clip even though its audio was from a difference source.
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That's exactly how I did it in Vegas... Avid too.
 
It's 2010 old film dudes. You should be able to record DECENT audio in a camera that does video...we have that technology now.
 
Dual audio is a giant PAIN!!! I spend more time syncing clips than I do editing, makes me not wanna work on anything. I would gladly take slightly less than perfect but perfectly usable audio over pain in the ass stellar dual audio. I signed up to make movies not syncronize audio all gosh damned day! And as far as the that's how "real pros" do it LOL... LAME ARGUMENT, WTF ARE YOU DOING IN A DSLR FORUM THEN????
 
PerroneFord said:
Oh for goodness sakes. The Zoom H1 is $99 and they'd have to buy a mic anyway. Why does everyone want to make a movie with nothing but lint in their pockets?
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Some people might have bought the camera, a pc for editing, software to edit with, thus spent all their money. :)
 
Derkoi said:
Some people might have bought the camera, a pc for editing, software to edit with, thus spent all their money. :)
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Awesome.. spend 6 months in pre-production, learning the camera, learning to light, asking questions on forums, etc. Because if you just bought your camera and editor, you aren't ready to be shooting a movie.
 
PerroneFord said:
Awesome.. spend 6 months in pre-production, learning the camera, learning to light, asking questions on forums, etc. Because if you just bought your camera and editor, you aren't ready to be shooting a movie.
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Lol, if that's aimed specifically at me you're very wrong.

It's perfectly feasible to assume someone might upgrade to a system & software capable of editing HD from SD where they might have had years of experience after buying the camera.

Just because you wanna make things more difficult by recording separate audio and syncing in post doesn't mean ever5yone wants to. I suppose you have all the crew for it though right?
 
It was a hypothetical.

But saying that, I spent about 6 months learning my EX1 before commuting to a paid shoot. And I am spending a few months learning my HDSLR before doing the same. And yes, I do have the crew. I'm on set right now taking a break...
 
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Back to the OP´s letter:
Idea 3: Canon knows that AGC is one of the few "experienced shooter relevant" features separating the 550/t2i from the more expensive "pro" canons and thus keeps this feature locked as long as there isn´t a next-generation Canon pro-line with more features separating "pro" and "consumer" models...
 
Welllllll...back in my day we used to run giant 2 inch cable seven miles underground to the control booth just so we could hear what the director had to say...then we would have to use semaphor to relay the signals back to the actors with giant flags on telephone poles...you young kids nowadays don't know how good you have it!
 
boulder said:
It's 2010 old film dudes. You should be able to record DECENT audio in a camera that does video...we have that technology now.
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ragamuffin

David Del Real said:
Great but add level meters to your letter.
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letter is in the mail, can't change it now- my main argument was to give 7D and T2i owners the option they provide for thier less expensive offerings. dB accurate audio levels don't start appearing in Canon's camcorders until products that cost as much as their HDSLRs. Would be nice though :)
 
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Edweirdo said:
letter is in the mail, can't change it now- my main argument was to give 7D and T2i owners the option they provide for thier less expensive offerings. dB accurate audio levels don't start appearing in Canon's camcorders until products that cost as much as their HDSLRs. Would be nice though :)
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Yeah, just thought since it was a firmware update for the 5D Mark II they could do the same for the T2i and the 7D. Wouldn't make sense to remove the AGC and not have level meters.
 
Wow, This is a weird thread. but lets seee.......Let the user turn off AGC if he wants to.....
That seems like it would result in better audio, yes???? Hmmm....
If it's technically doable via a firmware upgrade, who wouldn't want that?
It doesn't really matter if you grew up in a film world, video world, or even stills, If I can get decent audio from 2 or 3 different sources during a shoot, I will.

ps, I use a marantz 660 for external sound.
 
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