7D has manual control 1080p 24/25/30p and 720p 50/60p

Barry_Green said:
Hey Kholi, you ready for another round?

Phase 1: "OH MY GOSH HAVE YOU SEEN THE SPECS?!?!? THIS IS THE GREATEST THING EVER!"

Phase 2: "Are you frickin' kidding me? No autofocus in HD mode?!?!"

:D Heh. Happens every time, with every new camera release...
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Man, I'm sitting here reading the comments and just not saying anything. LoL

EVERY single time. But, it's cool to see the excitement anyway.
 
Wow it's as if the GH1 threads and copious speculations and rediculous defenses of it's blatant shortcomings never existed LOL
 
But, it's cool to see the excitement anyway.
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Looks fantastic though. I love that it's APS-C instead of "full frame", and that it's not whole-hog on the megapixels, meaning that the pixels might be a decent size and hopefully give some 5DM2-style sensitivity. I'd miss the M4/3 lens mount because you can mount *anything* to that, but you can get adapters for pretty much anything to Canon. Baited breath, my friend, and I'm very much looking forward to your report!
 
Johnny Cola said:
Wow it's as if the GH1 threads and copious speculations and rediculous defenses of it's blatant shortcomings never existed LOL
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Meaning?

I mean, come on, a GH1 is still half the price of this new Canon ($800 body-only vs. $1700 body-only). And it still shoots fantastic footage. And yes it has shortcomings. As, undoubtedly, the Canon will have. We just don't know what they are yet -- jello? moire? aliasing? no autofocus in HD? Let folks get their hands on it and put it through its paces and you'll undoubtedly see some threads firing up, it happens with every camera.
 
Just thought it was funny, your jab at the goings on in the 5d forums when the GH1 threads were way over the top compared to this. Just my observation and opinion of course, and I know you are in no way being mean spirited about it but it did get a gut reaction out of me :)

EDIT: I'm dearly waiting on the next gen m4/3 cause I have a crap load of FD lenses which obviously dont wont work on EOS without an opitcal adapter cause of the flange focal distance
 
I went nuts when the GH1 was announced, but when the 3rd or 4th sample came I realized how awful the 1080 mode was and gave up the faith. Now we truly have the holy grail! Everyone get excited now! This is the best thing ever! At least until the next camera comes out.

Seriously though. For films, this is the best camera under the Red One. It's bitrate is the best under the R1, other than cams that are recorded uncompressed. It has the smallest size and the biggest sensor and is extremely cheap. I'll probably have to post 100 more times in five other forums until I can sleep again.
 
Barry_Green said:
Looks fantastic though. I love that it's APS-C instead of "full frame", and that it's not whole-hog on the megapixels, meaning that the pixels might be a decent size and hopefully give some 5DM2-style sensitivity. I'd miss the M4/3 lens mount because you can mount *anything* to that, but you can get adapters for pretty much anything to Canon. Baited breath, my friend, and I'm very much looking forward to your report!
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In a way, it's because of that I'm glad that Canon did it. If it had been Nikon, then I think I would be pretty miffed about not being able to adapt much of anything to it. At least between Panasonic and Canon we can expect to be able to have a lot more freedom in the way he personalize our image, which is exactly what a simple choice such as which lens to use does.

As an aside, do you remember the posts on here and XL Cinema when the XH-A1 came out? I remember Shannon Rawls and SEVERAL others getting geared up for a Consumer War when they found out the A1's image was JUST as good for less than half the price.

That's what it looks like over at Cinema5d. And like then, I must say I admire the approach that Canon takes "Technology improves. That's just the way things are."
 
Johnny Cola said:
Just thought it was funny, your jab at the goings on in the 5d forums when the GH1 threads were way over the top compared to this.
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Well, yeah, I just think it's funny that the day the press release pops up we see a whole raft of "GH1 for sale" and "5d Mark II for sale" threads... :)

I'm in no way pretending that the GH1 threads didn't exist! Thing has killer potential, and a big ol' flaw. But after the GH1 thing of how the "mud" threads got so unbelievably over the top, it just reaffirmed my belief that the formula is true and it'll continue to be true.

But seriously, do you think the GH1 excitement was as high as the 7D? I think the 7D jazz seems to be the highest since the original Scarlet announcement.

And I have to say, I don't see anything wrong with the 7D right now. It looks perfect. I just am so used to everyone (including me) finding some showstopper or other, that it's going to make for a fun ride over this next month. That's all.
 
Kholi said:
As an aside, do you remember the posts on here and XL Cinema when the XH-A1 came out? I remember Shannon Rawls and SEVERAL others getting geared up for a Consumer War when they found out the A1's image was JUST as good for less than half the price.
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Oh yes, that made a lot of folks quite unhappy. And it might happen again, although there's a lot more difference between the 7D and the 5D, I mean, 21 megapixels or whatever, vs. 14, and full-frame instead of APS. But I think that those changes actually make the 7D *more* suitable as a cinema camera.

And like then, I must say I admire the approach that Canon takes "Technology improves. That's just the way things are."
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Frankly, that's why I hate it whenever someone trots out the ol' line of: "of course they crippled it, they have a higher line to protect". Probably true 20 years ago, but not anymore. These companies have a very Darwinian approach now -- if the old product can't compete, screw it. Survival of the fittest. The XLH1 can't compete against the XHA1? Screw it. We'll just sell that many more XHA1s, and then introduce a new low-cost XLH1A. HPX3700 can't sell against an HPX300? Screw it, we'll sell that many more HPX300s, and put out a $30,000 rebate on the HPX3700. That really is the way these guys are going. They put out the best they can, at the price point, and let the market decide.

If *anyone* is thinking of any camera as an "investment" that they can't afford to see "lose value", they're doomed. These things are tools to do a job, and to be sold on ebay when the next greatest thing comes along.
 
I agree with you, it's gonna be a fun ride, had the GH1 actually been in stock I woud have had 2 by now. I've been tempted several times over the summer to get the 5Dmkii but I realize the first gen vDSLR/HDSLR would be throwaways when the second gens came and I can't justify the price of the 5Dmkii. I could have justified the GH1 prices but the cam never showed back up. And when the 60D/7D rumors got too close to call I had to be patient and BOY AM I FREAKING GLAD I DID!
And on these boards YES the GH1 excitement/hype was greater or treated with more validity, it does have it's own GROUP with SUBGROUPS on the front page, not even the DVX or HVX have that...
 
Johnny Cola said:
I agree with you, it's gonna be a fun ride, had the GH1 actually been in stock I woud have had 2 by now. I've been tempted several times over the summer to get the 5Dmkii but I realize the first gen vDSLR/HDSLR would be throwaways when the second gens came and I can't justify the price of the 5Dmkii. I could have justified the GH1 prices but the cam never showed back up. And when the 60D/7D rumors got too close to call I had to be patient and BOY AM I FREAKING GLAD I DID!
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You and me both. I ordered a GH1, got stuck on the waitlist and shipped a battery but no camera! Cancelled my order and missed the rounds when the camera was in stock for all of two hours. Late in the summer I just figured why buy when you know something new is coming and Canon delivers. :)
 
it does have it's own GROUP with SUBGROUPS on the front page, not even the DVX or HVX have that
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But today's the FIRST DAY the press release has even come out! Not the camera, but the press announcement!!! We don't make multiple sections for a press release! :D
 
Isaac_Brody said:
You and me both. I ordered a GH1, got stuck on the waitlist and shipped a battery but no camera! Cancelled my order and missed the rounds when the camera was in stock for all of two hours. Late in the summer I just figured why buy when you know something new is coming and Canon delivers. :)
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These are the two reasons I never went and got the GH-1's. I swear, every single day I still checked the threads to see who was shipping. And honestly, I was on the brink of ordering every time but ... no video out totally killed it for me.

And for the rest, the waitlist just kind of put them right in Canon's hands if they can afford the extra money for a body and a lens.

As far as the wild ride goes, there are already people complaining about No Auto Focus and Barry is right: it will never end.

I can't find a single reason to complain about what I'm seeing. I knew it was going to have aliasing, I knew it was possibly going to be slower than the MKii and less resolute. The only things thatI didn't expect were 24/25p and 60p, and I'm sure as heck not mad about that.

All I can say is Go Canon, man. And I'm happy I jumped on the pre-order before the rest of the planet awakened to Amazon's "Meet the 7D" email.
 
Barry_Green said:
But today's the FIRST DAY the press release has even come out! Not the camera, but the press announcement!!! We don't make multiple sections for a press release! :D
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LOL I understand but my impression, and this is my impression, nothing imperical, but the GH1 has recieved a lot of special treatment from the rumors till now and I don't think it's a deserving product. The 7D on the other hand kinda seems like it might be Neo to the 5Dmkii's Morpheus and the GH1 kinda feels like the little nerd kid that gets shot up in the brick building and of course R1 is Agent Smith LOL
Thnx for humoring me btw
 
Out of curiosity, I haven't been following these VDSLR threads that much lately, so I haven't seen people complain about No Auto Focus...why IS that a problem?

I myself have tried to find issues with this camera and can find none, even though I haven't used one yet - "The Passage" and "Line of Sight" videos blew me away.

I have Canon lenses from my DSLRs and will be more than happy to use them with the 7D. Where did that pre-order page go anyway?

Kegan
 
Barry_Green said:
Meaning? I mean, come on, a GH1 is still half the price of this new Canon ($800 body-only vs. $1700 body-only). And it still shoots fantastic footage. And yes it has shortcomings. As, undoubtedly, the Canon will have.
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I don't remember Canon having serious issues with codecs. On the other hand, everyone knows about the issues the GH1 has, despite that 17 Mbit/s AVCHD is supposed to be as good as 35 Mbit/s MPEG-2. In all recent products that Canon have released (XH-A1, HV20, HF100, HF-S) the encoding was top-notch, and the XH-A1 is known for its smoothness almost unreal for 25 Mbit/s HDV, whether you shoot a white dress or water of burning flame, the codec holds very well. I have no doublt that the 7D is well worth the difference in price compared to the GH1 (and don't forget the difference in bitrate).

Oops, I am discussing a product that I haven't seen, again.
 
Cranky said:
I don't remember Canon having serious issues with codecs.
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Canon has traditionally had good codes in their video cameras.

On the other hand, everyone knows about the issues the GH1 has, despite that 17 Mbit/s AVCHD is supposed to be as good as 35 Mbit/s MPEG-2.
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Properly implemented, 17mbits of AVCHD *is* as good as 35mbits of MPEG-2. But in the GH1 they didn't implement it all. Which is why I'm in more of a state of Missouri regarding specs nowadays. I am quite optimistic that the 7D will deliver the goods as far as codec performance goes.

I have no doublt that the 7D is well worth the difference in price compared to the GH1 (and don't forget the difference in bitrate).
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It's not just bitrate, it's also that (apparently) we won't have to deal with pulldown. That's a huge advantage in and of itself.

As for worth the difference in price, that's up to each user to decide. For some folks an $800 price difference is pennies. For others, it might be the difference between being able to get the product at all, or not.
 
Just finished pre-ordering from Adorama, first time I've ever bought a camera sight-unseen.. Gotta have faith right?

BTW, Adorama said they'd have stock in 2 weeks!?
 
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