7D for Broadcast Infomercial?

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jordini99

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Hi all,

I just got a gig to shoot a fitness infomercial, and though I have a DVX100A, I'd like to shoot it with my 7D if possible. My main concern is that final delivery is for TV broadcast. Is there anything I can do to make 1080p footage at 24fps work with a broadcaster? Down-rezzing is fine and expected; I'm just worried about it not being 29.97 interlaced.

Thanks,
Jordan
 
If your final delivery is for television broadcast then I would avoid 24p all together. Shoot 30p and avoid the headaches later. I shoot a lot of commercial work with my 7D for a local production company and everything we do is in 30p. You can shoot in 24p and edit in 24p, but as soon as you export the video for broadcast, it's going to be converted to 29.97 and you won't like the results.
 
KeithAndrews.TV said:
You can shoot in 24p and edit in 24p, but as soon as you export the video for broadcast, it's going to be converted to 29.97 and you won't like the results.
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Why would someone "not like the results"? 24p, edited as 24p, and converted to 60i for broadcast, is basically the same path that every network drama or high-budget network production undergoes. It's the workflow we use with all 24p video cameras, with film transferred to video, with a Red or ... everything.

Where's the problem?
 
add pulldown, sucka!

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I agree with Barry of course 23.98 is NTSC standard thats why its 23.98 and not 24, so shoot 24p, I mean if you want a "film look" isn't that why we bought the 7D in the first place?
 
Oh yeah, I totally forgot that I had the option of shooting 30p, haha. So if I shoot 30p, edit in 30p, output in 30p, then no broadcaster should have a problem with it, whether they're HD or not, correct?

But let's say I do decided to shoot and edit in 24p...how do I go about adding pulldown and how will this affect the final video and the workflow?

Thanks!
Jordan
 
You know what i mean videohog don't play like that, we use 23.98 instead of 24 frames because it is easier to pull down so it can be broadcast at 60i, just like Barry had said, so yes in a way 23.98 is designed specifically for NTSC, and is the standard for 24 fps ntsc shooting. Do i really need to explain myself here... i mean really.
 
You should probably read up or takes some classes on editing and understanding formats, that will help you understand a lot about progressive scans and interlaced scans, then you might be able to grasp the concepts a little better, also creative cow is a good source for tutorials, me personally i just shoot and edit in 24p then export it adding the telecine in compressor
 
Barry_Green said:
Why would someone "not like the results"? 24p, edited as 24p, and converted to 60i for broadcast, is basically the same path that every network drama or high-budget network production undergoes. It's the workflow we use with all 24p video cameras, with film transferred to video, with a Red or ... everything.

Where's the problem?
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The problem is aesthetics. 23.98 converted to 29.97 using a 3:2 pulldown does not have an even look when played back. When you watch the footage you can see a slight hesitation on every fourth frame which makes the motion look jerky. Certainly not as smooth and even as compared to when it is played back at 23.98 in an editor, or on a PC for example. It's just good practice to shoot for the delivery format when known to avoid extra steps, or issues later on.
 
The problem is aesthetics. 23.98 converted to 29.97 using a 3:2 pulldown does not have an even look when played back. When you watch the footage you can see a slight hesitation on every fourth frame which makes the motion look jerky. Certainly not as smooth and even as compared to when it is played back at 23.98 in an editor, or on a PC for example. It's just good practice to shoot for the delivery format when known to avoid extra steps, or issues later on.
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No disrespect Keith but I couldn't disagree more. This is like saying if you are releasing your album on itunes then record everything in MP3 quality. Pick the acquisition format based on your needs and image style and then conform it where it needs to go in the end.


Shoot 24p if THAT is the look you want. I shoot 24P for broadcast all the time. 24PN on my HPX and I have recently been sending 7D shot footage to broadcast. This is not a new thing 24p.

30p will broadcast just fine and then LOOK LIKE 30P. If thats cool with the scope and tone of your project then do it.
 
KeithAndrews.TV said:
The problem is aesthetics. 23.98 converted to 29.97 using a 3:2 pulldown does not have an even look when played back.
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It is true that there is a slight delay in the cadence on odd frames, but ... EVERY movie you've ever watched on TV has used that exact same process. Every movie, every film-originated TV show, everything that's ever been shot on film and then displayed on NTSC television, has used that exact same process. Even when they used to originate the news on 16mm film, it got telecine'd with 2:3 pulldown and broadcast.

So technically it's true, that the cadence is there, but it's something that we're all so used to that we should never even really notice it. This is the standard workflow that's been in place for the last sixty years.

Seriously, it's a total non-issue. This is the most common task in all of broadcast production work, embedding 24p within 60i. Every film-shot TV commercial does it. Every network drama does it. Every movie does it.
 
Is there a good tutorial online somewhere that explains how to embed 24p in a 60i format? Also, does any of this cause any audio sync issues?
 
Barry_Green said:
Why would someone "not like the results"? 24p, edited as 24p, and converted to 60i for broadcast, is basically the same path that every network drama or high-budget network production undergoes. It's the workflow we use with all 24p video cameras, with film transferred to video, with a Red or ... everything.

Where's the problem?
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Not a problem, but it would be ideal to film in the same format that it's going to be broadcasted in.

edit. Wow, old thread.
 
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