7D and Audio / What would you suggest?

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etrust

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Hi,

i would like to make short films outside and inside. I want to buy a Rode MTG-2 Mic.

Now i want to know what is the best way to record the audio.

After a reserch i found out that there is some XLR Adapter for 7D and a stand alone Zoom H4n Recorder.

What would you suggest me to get a good quality of sound?

Thank you?
 
I'd skip on the XLR adapter. They do in a pinch, but the audio recording on these cameras is still sub-par, and the XLR adapter for a DSLR limits you to one record channel instead of two (it records noise to the other, in order to keep the camera's AGC at bay).

The H4n is okay. I actually love the Zoom recorders when they're used with front-end mixers (I have an H4 with a Sound Devices MixPre and it's a great combo), but they're not as good for recording using the XLR mic inputs as their pre-amps aren't the best. I'd look into a Fostex FR2-LE.
 
hi,

Fostex FR2-LE is a great solution. Do you know if there is similiar solution in the market but cheaper?

Do you think that there is no good solution to record direct in the camera in good quality and xlr mics of course?
 
etrust said:
Fostex FR2-LE is a great solution. Do you know if there is similiar solution in the market but cheaper?
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Other than finding a used FR2-LE, no. The difference between this unit and the Zoom H4n is impressive when it comes to low/lower budget recorders. I've heard good things about the TASCAM DR-100 (in the Zoom H4n price range), but have not used one myself. The Fostex has better pre-amps, and that's where many of the hand-held recorders lag.

etrust said:
Do you think that there is no good solution to record direct in the camera in good quality and xlr mics of course?
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I think it can be done, with an XLR adapter, but I wouldn't say with good quality. Audio on DSLR cameras still has a long, long way to go before it's really up to par. You'll get much better results using a separate recorder.
 
ok thank you. i think i will buy the fostex. Do you think the Rode NTG-2 would be a nice combination for recording voice for a short film?
 
etrust said:
ok thank you. i think i will buy the fostex. Do you think the Rode NTG-2 would be a nice combination for recording voice for a short film?
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I think the NTG-2 is a worthy investment. If you're on a tight budget, the NTG-2 is an especially nice option to have. But if you can swing it, you might look at the NTG-3.
 
etrust said:
ok i compare they here and i could not hear a difference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SV-duZhm4I

The Price of the ntg-3 is a lot :=(

Is there a big difference?
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Did you watch in 360p or 480p? At 360p, YouTube destroys the audio signal and you won't hear a discernible difference.

Yeah, the price of the NTG-3 is higher, but the difference between the two mics is quite noticeable. The NTG-3 performs very much like the Sennheiser MKH416, which has been the industry standard for a long time. The NTG-3 made huge strides in offering a viable competitor at half the price. Sennheiser recently dropped the proce of the 416 from $1200 to $1000, and my suspicion is that they did that to try and hold on to their market share against RODE.

But again, if you are on a tight budget, the NTG-2 is a very good buy.
 
Glad you like it!

You can use a low-cut filter (aka hi-pass filter) to get rid of the distant traffic rumble. Start at about 80Hz, and if you need more you can move to about 100Hz without really losing anything crucial from the dialog. The Fostex has a built-in HPF, or you can use one in your NLE or DAW.

Remember also that you'll get better dialog the closer the mic is. Your range is about 3 feet with acceptable results, but always get as close as you can. 12 inches is much better than 3 feet. Mounting the mic on a boom pole will also help you get the mic in close, though it does require having a boom op in addition to the camera op. And use the mic's rear/off-axis rejection to tame background sounds.

Happy shooting!
 
Those who are saying don't go with the XLR adapters with ACG defeat do not have one or they wouldn't be saying how sub par they are.

I absolutley guarentee they don't have one or have never used them.
 
CX 211 and DN 101 Juicelink works very well, way cleaner than Beachtek 5da. Cheers
 

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C2V said:
Glad you like it!

You can use a low-cut filter (aka hi-pass filter) to get rid of the distant traffic rumble. Start at about 80Hz, and if you need more you can move to about 100Hz without really losing anything crucial from the dialog. The Fostex has a built-in HPF, or you can use one in your NLE or DAW.

Remember also that you'll get better dialog the closer the mic is. Your range is about 3 feet with acceptable results, but always get as close as you can. 12 inches is much better than 3 feet. Mounting the mic on a boom pole will also help you get the mic in close, though it does require having a boom op in addition to the camera op. And use the mic's rear/off-axis rejection to tame background sounds.

Happy shooting!
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Oh this is a important think. Ok i will try to go closer with the mic in future and will mount it to a boom pole. I will also try to use the HPF on the fostex

I have some questions:

1) What you mean here exactly: "use the mic's rear/off-axis rejection"
2) What is NLE or DAW?
3) Is this a function: "aka hi-pass filter" where can i find it?


Thank you and all guys here!!
 
etrust said:
1) What you mean here exactly: "use the mic's rear/off-axis rejection"
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The shotgun mic is designed to reject most sound from the rear of the mic. If you angle the mic towards the talent and away from the source of background noise, you can minimize how much of that background noise is recorded.

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2) What is NLE or DAW?
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NLE = Nonlinear Editor. That's your editing software. Final Cut Pro, AVID, Premiere, Vegas, etc.

DAW = Digital Audio Workstation. That's audio editing/mixing software like ProTools, Cubase, Soundtrack Pro.

etrust said:
3) Is this a function: "aka hi-pass filter" where can i find it?
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"aka" = "also known as"

Hi-pass filter (HPF) and low-cut filter are the same thing. On the FR2-LE, it's a hi-pass filter or HPF. Within your editing program (NLE) you probably have a selection of audio plug-ins or filters, and you will see it labeled as either hi-pass or low-cut.
 
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