General 70D and my thoughts on it +Samples

dustylense

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So I bought the 70D with the kit lens.
Here is why I bought it first....

There are times where I will shoot an event or situation with a high degree of run and gun. Mostly I will use a 1/3rd chip camera for this type of work to get the benefit of having AF on the camera. But lots of times the 1/3in chip fails in lowlight situations. Then there are times when I want to do a steadicam tacking shot and not have to shoot it wide angle all the time and without need for a wireless focus puller. Then there are just times I want to shoot the everyday family video with a large chip camera and not have to concentrate on focus.

Enter the 70D. I will say it does AF as advertised. In fact, I feel if AF's better than my 1/3rd chip camera. In double fact, my 1/3rd chip camera is in danger of an ebay post.

Before I even bought the camera I went in knowing there is going to be some degree of aliasing and moire. And there is. It's there no doubt. In other threads there is a conversation about just how much is there. I will say this and keep in mind I've had that camera a bit over 40 hours. So yesterday I called up my sister is running a sales and marketing program for home builders and is touring homes with a panel of judges. I though it would be a great place to test this camera out in a very hectic fast paced day of following along with the 70D.

I put the camera in manual exposure and just kept the scene zeroed on the meter. The camera was always on auto focus and I NEVER once touched the focus ring nor did I ever check the focus of the camera. I just let the 70D do it's thing in terms of focus.

I got home and looked though all the footage and was simply amazed at how well the camera did. I used the kit lens 18-135 STM only and shot a bunch on my glidecam HD2000 without vest or arm. I'm not the greatest steadicam OP but I manage and I took maybe 3 minutes to balance the 70D to the HD2000 before we started and went the whole day without adjustment. I shot mostly between 640 ISO and 1250ISO and a couple 160ISOs outdoors.

So, the AF does in fact work! It works really nice!!!! Once in a blue moon the AF will pulse but it snaps right back in. I wonder if its a combo of having the IS and a fast movement confuse the camera.
Moire... Its there and I'm going to say that its 7D looking if not a bit better. But then again, I've only had the camera 40 hours. I will say that IF you have shot projects on the 7d and made nice videos that funded your bank account, the 70D should do the same job.
Aliasing. It's there. It's a stills camera with video mode. Don't expect Canon C100/300 images. Expect Canon 7D images.

Who I think this camera is for:
Well family vacation type of people for sure. Take great stills and capture nice HD video in one camera that will do all the focusing for you.
Definatly wedding shooters. If you do lots of weddings and want steadicam shots where you can move in and out with a longer focal length throw, you should look at this camera.
People that shoot events for web showcase. Maybe a B-cam set to a stage with AF on to do the tracking for a subject moving around on the stage.
Doc work and Vlogging from seminars or such.
The people that have big issues keeping shots in focus!

Who is the camera not for?:
People that expect ALexa type detail and codec. It's a stills camera people! And before you throw the Gh3 or G6 or Gthis or that at me, I've had the Gh2 and the 3 and while they are great cameras, the 70D is the better camera is you need STILLS and video. With the GH series you are stuck in that system. With the EOS line you can move from a T2i to a 7D to a 5dMK3 to a 1Dc to a C100/300 and to whatever Canon releases with the EF mount.

Maybe ML will crack this camera?????

So here is a dropbox link to some grabs and a bit of motion showing mostly my horrible Steadicam work for the day. I threw in a couple handheld static shots. Again, the camera was never manually focused. Profile was neutral with sharpness all the way down and near the end of the day I started inching up the sharpness. I got to 2 from zero. I can say the the shot or the man with the silver framed glasses and the shot of the ladies are with sharpness set 2 from zero.

All in all I think the camera works if you are looking for that run and gun AF solution. I will be keeping mine but as a specialty camera for web videos where I need that AF and lowlight for web display.

Let the arguments begin.....


https://www.dropbox.com/sh/m7qgxmnbikto01f/jA3NjUfyqW
 
I won't argue but I'll agree the images do look 7D ish. :)

It would be neat when magic lantern hacks this and with this kind of auto focus!

Do you think the AF feature of this cam will be compatible with the 24-105mm ?
 
Thanks for posting your experience! I've been thinking about getting the 70D as the DPAF seems to hit the mark. But instead, I just bought a XA25 and probably will pickup a XA20 to incorporate them with a video switcher to edit live music performances on the fly. Gotta say I really love having all the features of a video camera. At this point I may still get a 70D as photography is my primary interest and also use it with the Varizoom Stealth for video, but I may be better served to wait for the 7DII or the 5DIV. Anything Canon without Canon's DPAF is a no go. I think the camera I'm waiting for is a C300 with DPAF and proper overcranking. They might actually be able to pry that much money out of my hands for a such a C300. Until then, I'll make due with the XA25 and my 5DII.
 
Thanks for posting your experience! I've been thinking about getting the 70D as the DPAF seems to hit the mark. But instead, I just bought a XA25 and probably will pickup a XA20 to incorporate them with a video switcher to edit live music performances on the fly. Gotta say I really love having all the features of a video camera. At this point I may still get a 70D as photography is my primary interest and also use it with the Varizoom Stealth for video, but I may be better served to wait for the 7DII or the 5DIV. Anything Canon without Canon's DPAF is a no go. I think the camera I'm waiting for is a C300 with DPAF and proper overcranking. They might actually be able to pry that much money out of my hands for a such a C300. Until then, I'll make due with the XA25 and my 5DII.

I hear ya. And a good strategy as well. I thought about the 7dMK2 while buying the 70D. But he 7dMK2 will most likely be a $2000+ camera. The 70D is definitely not my primary camera as I have a couple 5dMk3's and Mk2's for stills work and the C100 for video work. I also agree that Canon will be putting the DPAF in most if not all future cameras and that future lenses will be tuned to the DPAF. Maybe the 70D is Canons test case to see how well it is received? I can say they did a really good job with it. Honestly, it might be the perfect little family outing camera while being very capable to do pro work if client is used to image quality of the 7d or comparable HDslr. Like I said, wedding guys should definitely own this camera.
 
Hey dustylense, can you do a side by side test of the 3x crop zoom vs regular video at the same field of view and distance to subject? I'm really curious as to the quality of the 70D's 3x function.
 
Thanks hadn't seen that one as it was just posted yesterday. I'm pretty sure a bunch of that zooming was with the 3x-10x. It was never very good on the T3i past 3x, but incredible right there. A bit softer, but full color depth and also preserves the light gathering of any lens you use. Looks fully useful at 3x again. Cheers, Pete
 
Here is a comparison of the C100 and the 70D both using the 18-135 STM. The C100 is using WDR and the 70D is with cinestyle tweaked with contrast in camera to try and match closely to the C100. All of the clips are ungraded. The last shots are both cameras using film convert. Tell me which is which....(remember to download the video file as dropbox kinda blows at displaying video).

https://www.dropbox.com/s/g6g6l1pd9w21tzh/C100 70D.mov
 
Great writeup, thanks a lot. The 70D is not for me but it definitely seems to be the first DSLR that can satisfy the typical handycam user. It should be a great seller.

Me, I will keep my current camera, and won't change my list of suggestions: NEX-5N, D5200, D7100, BMC, 5D3
 
I use the 3x crop on the t3i all the time. It is still 1080p at 3x and I am so glad they added this to the 70d. What is the ISO performance like?
 
I use the 3x crop on the t3i all the time. It is still 1080p at 3x and I am so glad they added this to the 70d. What is the ISO performance like?

70D is better in high ISO...at least 1 stop! Im trying to find the time and do a side by side with the 600D! If you like the 3x on the t3i, you will love it on the 70D...is it sharper? I cant say yet...but its sooo much easier to access it on the 70D...1 sec and you re there! And another note...AF is working also in the crop mode...not constant of course...but VERY fast when you press the AF button...more to come:)
 
Dusty, thanks for your review on the 70D, when you are using non STM lenses, how's the rotors stepping noise? Is it loud? with the 50mm f1/8 and the 55-250mm lenses, I can hear the AF rotor noise fairly clear, which it may be recorded into the field recorder like the Tascam DR-60D when it is placed below and have the shotgun mic above the camera...
 
Dusty, thanks for your review on the 70D, when you are using non STM lenses, how's the rotors stepping noise? Is it loud? with the 50mm f1/8 and the 55-250mm lenses, I can hear the AF rotor noise fairly clear, which it may be recorded into the field recorder like the Tascam DR-60D when it is placed below and have the shotgun mic above the camera...
It's dead silent. And the 18-135 is really not that bad of a lens.
 
Do you know how to turn the touchscreen back on if the 70d is connected to an external monitor? It seems that if I add a 7" field monitor, then I will not have any of the touchscreen functionality hence touch to af will not be there.
 
And before you throw the Gh3 or G6 or Gthis or that at me, I've had the Gh2 and the 3 and while they are great cameras, the 70D is the better camera is you need STILLS and video. With the GH series you are stuck in that system. With the EOS line you can move from a T2i to a 7D to a 5dMK3 to a 1Dc to a C100/300 and to whatever Canon releases with the EF mount.

Besides that caveat you mention - how does the AF of the GH3 compare to the 70D's one?
 
Hi
Thanks for a really great write-up! Quick question, how does the build quality compare to a 7D. Speculation:2vrolijk_08: - what's your guess on how long before this auto-focus shows up in a C100 type?

Thanks!
 
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