How is Magic Lantern on the 60D? I checked on it a few months ago, but it still seemed to be an alpha build.
60d vs. 7d kick in head needed...
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How is Magic Lantern on the 60D? I checked on it a few months ago, but it still seemed to be an alpha build.
vision_filmz
Carbonite Member
I used to use a 7d and think it is an excellent camera, heck I even used a 5d which was even more awesome for certain things, but ever since I got my 60d you just can't believe how important that articulating screen is + it's higher resolution than the 5d & 7d. The only possible reason I would say to buy the 7d, is because it is worth more money & you would hold a higher valuable camera, but in my opinion I simply like the 60d a lot more. The lock function on the 60d which prevents the wheel from being turned is another life saver.
M. Gilden
Canon DSLR Moderator
7D has full HD monitoring when filming. However, that is the only reason I recommend the 7D these days. The weather-proofing is nice, but unless you are only using Canon weather proof lenses, you don't really get any benefit from that. So as far as video function goes, there really isn't much benefit to the more expensive camera IMO.
Meanwhile, Magic Lantern offers killer video features (live exposure zebras, focus zoom, focus peaking, false colors, etc), and sadly is not compatible with the 7D. Taking all that into consideration, I'd go with a 60D, or heck even a T2i (loyalty program can get these UBER cheap!), throw magic lantern on there, and have an excellent video camera for cheap. Then go spend the money you saved on glass.
Meanwhile, Magic Lantern offers killer video features (live exposure zebras, focus zoom, focus peaking, false colors, etc), and sadly is not compatible with the 7D. Taking all that into consideration, I'd go with a 60D, or heck even a T2i (loyalty program can get these UBER cheap!), throw magic lantern on there, and have an excellent video camera for cheap. Then go spend the money you saved on glass.
Exactly. And remember, that tank-sealing may be the red O-ring photographers dream, BUT it will be a pain with video and bring on noise to your images because of heat. I mean, if you acutally shoot video in extreme conditions, you should be using eg. underwater housing etc, not rely on a (most likely so-so, when it comes to it...) weather sealing.
7D's dual processorns is unique with 1080i feed while recording, but since the pros settle with the low-res output of the 5D, it's kinda legit to ask yourself what your needs actually are.
7D's dual processorns is unique with 1080i feed while recording, but since the pros settle with the low-res output of the 5D, it's kinda legit to ask yourself what your needs actually are.
DavidBeier
Veteran
7D is a bit better for stills but there's not a huge difference. It's not like comparing the 7D to the GH1.
inyourface
Active member
60d's are not available in program as of yet. Many valid points raised here. Thanks.
If you shoot run and gun in wet weather like I do many times 7d. Can't tell you how happy I was to have it. Rugged too.
Anything else go with your 60d.
You'll never get an end to this forum though with a million difference opinions.
Why are you starting this thread? This is one of the most asked questions and there are a ton of threads on this topic literally.
Seems like someone starts this thread every two weeks to a month.
Anything else go with your 60d.
You'll never get an end to this forum though with a million difference opinions.
Why are you starting this thread? This is one of the most asked questions and there are a ton of threads on this topic literally.
Seems like someone starts this thread every two weeks to a month.
inyourface
Active member
I started it doe to pricing being close. Thanks for your opinion.
DavidBeier
Veteran
I vote T2i or T3i.
I love Magic Lantern, I was considering the 7D and realized I would rather get equal IQ, more camera control, and wait for the 5D3 or whatever the next 'game-changer' is.
T2i is sure going to be cheap in the rewards program but I personally have trouble living without the swivel LCD as well as the intermediate ISOs and color tempt dial (extra wheel to control aperture doesn't hurt either). Unless this is just going to be a stop gap camera and you're planning to get a 5D Mark III when it comes out, I think the 60D is a much more satisfying choice.
M. Gilden
Canon DSLR Moderator
T2i is only a better contender if you plan to use magic lantern, IMO. And ML gives you custom ISO, dialed in color temp, etc. Basically, the only missing thing is a swivel display- which is legitimate, but not a deal breaker IMO. I carry an external monitor if I'm ever in a position that I can't be directly behind the camera, and honestly I haven't used it much. But I could see that being useful.
Dvader
Well-known member
I'm going to be pulling the trigger on a 60D or 7D sometime next month.
I need stills mostly and some video second... I'm also from Arizona where it can get pretty hot here, are there overheating problems when shooting stills???
As far as controls go for stills is there anything significant to know about?? I'd also be looking to do timelaspes if there any difference there too.
How difficult is dealing with magic lanturn? I'm coming from hacking the GH1 and don't really want to have to mess with my camera, I just like it to work normally.
I need stills mostly and some video second... I'm also from Arizona where it can get pretty hot here, are there overheating problems when shooting stills???
As far as controls go for stills is there anything significant to know about?? I'd also be looking to do timelaspes if there any difference there too.
How difficult is dealing with magic lanturn? I'm coming from hacking the GH1 and don't really want to have to mess with my camera, I just like it to work normally.
flamenco boy
Member
This is a real dilemma which I too have been thrashing out over past months. I see it like this (from a video only point of view):
60D advantages over 7D- articulating screen almost essential for me, ability to install ML, I like the mode lock as this has moved before on a 7D job, doesn't overheat like 7D ( but I've never had a 7D overheat).
60D Disadvantages to 7D- less robust body, less weather-sealing, lack of 1080 HDMI output (not a deal-breaker as 5D doesn't have it) only 1 custom mode (3 on 7D which are handy), not as Pro from a perception/industry standard/ruggedness/seriousness point of view, also I'm sure 7D will retain it's value better than 60D.
I think it possibly depends on where your at with use- if you are using or plan to use the camera for pro work ( I mean drama/ ads etc) the 7D is the standard and you can't argue with it's build, like a tank with 1080 hdmi- you'll probably then need to buy or hire in other expensive pro add ons- good monitor with false color etc. If your into indie- low budget filmmaking or shoot events or just shoot a bit of video now and again the 60D is probably better and more fun to use (not passing judgement on quality of 'pro' vs amateur filmmakers, I've seen great and bad work from both)
I think my decision will come down to going into a shop and handling these side by side, ML and screen vs pro spec and 1080 hdmi????, hhmm, will someone just kick me in the head too!
60D advantages over 7D- articulating screen almost essential for me, ability to install ML, I like the mode lock as this has moved before on a 7D job, doesn't overheat like 7D ( but I've never had a 7D overheat).
60D Disadvantages to 7D- less robust body, less weather-sealing, lack of 1080 HDMI output (not a deal-breaker as 5D doesn't have it) only 1 custom mode (3 on 7D which are handy), not as Pro from a perception/industry standard/ruggedness/seriousness point of view, also I'm sure 7D will retain it's value better than 60D.
I think it possibly depends on where your at with use- if you are using or plan to use the camera for pro work ( I mean drama/ ads etc) the 7D is the standard and you can't argue with it's build, like a tank with 1080 hdmi- you'll probably then need to buy or hire in other expensive pro add ons- good monitor with false color etc. If your into indie- low budget filmmaking or shoot events or just shoot a bit of video now and again the 60D is probably better and more fun to use (not passing judgement on quality of 'pro' vs amateur filmmakers, I've seen great and bad work from both)
I think my decision will come down to going into a shop and handling these side by side, ML and screen vs pro spec and 1080 hdmi????, hhmm, will someone just kick me in the head too!
All the new crops have same IQ and 60D has flip screen, manual audio controls, ML and no heat issues which are way more usefull than 7D's 1080i hdmi out or weather sealing. You only need the better weather sealing on extreme conditions like snow storms and rain. If you don't use L series lenses the weather sealing is pointless. I would never choose 7D over 60D even if they costed the same.
Ben Totman
Active member
if i was buying mainly for stills i would go 7d, if mainly video, i would go 60d.
If mainly stills, I would go with 600D or even 550D. They all have same sensor and IQ, 7D only shoots faster. Faster fps is only usefull if you shoot fast sports. If fast sports is whwat you shoot, then of course 7D is the best option.
WhiteMonkey
Well-known member
The LCD on the back of the cameras, 60D and 7D is too small for critical focus. Having an external HD monitor makes focusing much easier. My eyes can't take looking at that little LCD, swivel or not, for much longer than 3 hours.