5D replacement announcement next week

Yeah it's a shame when we go to see a film because the premise and story and all the marketing hype make it sound good... but then when we watch it, alot of plot points make no sense and the camera work is so shaky and the acting abit weird it's... heartbreaking... (for my wallet that is).

Although in this case... just a laugh, chick flick/date movie really.
 
Story/Concept is everything...... Personally I thought DRIVE was an excellent shot movie, but I did not like it at all. Just never grabbed me and I have no idea why or how anyone liked it? I guess it's just me. With that said I think visuals go hand in hand with the story, but it might not be as important as everyone thinks. Nothing shot on a Red Epic will make your movie better than shot on any other HD camera. Personally I feel as long as your camera is at least high definition 720/1080 I think you can clearly get your visual message across.


Simple example


Trust when I tell you the reason so many people like and viewed this video really has very little to do with the camera.
I can't wait for the 5d mark iii
 
Cosimo Bullo said:
"as long as it sits in that DSLR form factor, no thanks."

So the 'shape' is the problem?
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No, the functionality is the problem. Which is accentuated by the shape. The video is good enough now, more than good enough. Heck, the 5D has arguably the worst quality video of any DSLR, yet it's on the big screen in nationwide release in "Act Of Valor." So it is no longer a question of video quality -- to me, at least. It is about usability and functionality. I listed the reasons (or, many of the reasons) that I find DSLRs unsuitable. It's not the shape, it's the notion that you're using a still camera for video purposes, while losing most of the advancements we've made in video over the years. As long as it has no (or bogus) HDMI monitoring and no XLR audio inputs and no decent pre-amps and no timecode and no SDI and no zebras and waveforms and scopes and no ND filters and all these other critical, useful, screw-up-preventing features, then it remains (FOR ME) a non-starter.

Not concerned about the shape at all.

And I have a GH2. I like it for what it is, but I don't try to use it for what it isn't. Sharper or not.

As far as codecs go, what Driftwood is doing with the GH2 is now years ahead of many pro cameras... My guess is that they won't catch up soon, making for a really strange marketplace where an $800 body is blowing away (imagewise, yes, I understand the enormous problem of no headphone jack) all other cameras until the 10k range, and leaving some very strange reasoning as to why not to use the GH2... like its shape, for example.[/QUOTE]
 
squig said:
All jokes aside Barry, if the Nikon D4 or Canon's new DSLRs have the dynamic range and resolution of an Alexa who's going to care about the form factor?
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Again, it's not "form factor", it's usability.

If you could buy a board camera head that plugs into your desktop computer and gives you 8k 4:4:4 raw, would you use it? Perhaps some would. I wouldn't. I want a product that does the job without me having to work around it.

I know what your saying about the camera being kitted out properly for a production environment but when money is tight and push comes to shove I'll take the best looking picture and work around it.
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Well, then, there it is -- the exact reason we have a disconnect. I've done this for too long and have no desire to jump through hoops anymore. There's no need to, as today's cameras all perform plenty good enough. To me it's about functionality now. I really don't think an extra half-stop of dynamic range or an extra 50 lines of resolution is going to make a rat's patootie of difference to how a project turns out, but frankenrigging and bad cables and broken HDMI ports and blown audio and hours sync'ing in post because you had to record dual-system because your camera has no audio input, and all that other stuff ... nah. Not interested.

Like I said -- put that F3-beating imagemaking capability in a real camera body, and we're talking. But as it is right now, today, I really can't see what a DSLR is going to bring to the party that would make me want to give up 20 years of pro video refinements.

Again though -- this is just me, and how I work. Doesn't have to reflect on anyone else, and I only continue posting in this thread to answer direct questions, not trying to "convert" anyone or whatever.
 
vision_filmz said:
Story/Concept is everything......
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They kinda aren't the same thing (and, IMO, concept is more important than story), but, either way--me thinks for like the fifth time here, I digress. xD I'm perfectly fine with owning the title "nutjob" for believing the opposite.

Now back to waiting for the next best thing!
 
Mickey G said:
but to anyone who dismisses these cameras entirely for all practical purposes is just being completely close-minded IMHO.
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Bought a GH1, then another GH1, then a 7D, then a GH2, then another GH2.

I don't think I should be classified as "close-minded". I've tried. I tried hard. I tried to follow where everyone else seemed to want to go.

Didn't like it. Still don't like it. I think the GH2 is far away the best of the bunch, but even then, well... there's one part of your post that I'm in 100% agreement with, which is:
One thing you CAN NOT do with the HVX's, EX3's, F3's. etc. of the world is tear it all down to get it to a really small DSLR-like package for those times when you need to be lightweight and discreet.
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Right. Which is why I have a GH2. I can use it for those rare occasions where that matters. But for the other 98% of the time, I have the right tool for the job too. Best of both worlds.
 
Barry_Green said:
As far as codecs go, what Driftwood is doing with the GH2 is now years ahead of many pro cameras... My guess is that they won't catch up soon, making for a really strange marketplace where an $800 body is blowing away (imagewise, yes, I understand the enormous problem of no headphone jack) all other cameras until the 10k range, and leaving some very strange reasoning as to why not to use the GH2... like its shape, for example.
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[/QUOTE]Barry, stand corrected the Cosimo's quote please. Otherwise, it will sound strange. It is not you speaking ;)
 
A story explains the entire drive/backbone/foundation for the film from beginning to end. It's the human connection to the audience. It's usually what a good Writer and Director really concentrates on. Each story's success really depends on the nouns and themes and values you hold.

Premise or concept is marketing and cool stuff to get people enticed to the story, which is what I think Kholi means. So anyway, basically Avatar and Pocahontas are essentially same story but Avatar is more successful because it has a stronger story (IMO), wider premise and better marketing.... Plus I think the characters are cooler in Avatar, as is the plot, script, and general filmmaking. So basically we're comparing an apple to a bigger apple :)

I do think story and premise are pretty inseparable though.

The Devil Inside has pretty much the same story as many horrors we've seen before, although (going along with my analogy of comparing apples to apples), the premise and execution isn't as well done as say... The Exorcist which is said to be a classic and (accounting for inflation) has made 10x the amount of Box Office The Devil Inside has. Is it 10 times better? Probably! The critics and box office don't lie!

Edit: Anyhoot... gosh so off topic, but dammit this is more interesting than pixels!
 
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Barry_Green said:
No, the functionality is the problem. Which is accentuated by the shape. The video is good enough now, more than good enough. Heck, the 5D has arguably the worst quality video of any DSLR, yet it's on the big screen in nationwide release in "Act Of Valor." So it is no longer a question of video quality -- to me, at least. It is about usability and functionality.
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It is also about look-like. We cannot get the same outcome with a 2/3" camera. Reason enough, I'd rather believe Scarlet would be a S35 camera instead. And even among large sensor size cameras, we have distinct results.

 
Barry, much respect to you. But the truth is I'm jut I'm just not getting your argument. I literally don't understand exactly what you're saying.

But guess what, that's likely MY FAULT. After 17 years of marriage, I've come to realize that! We have great choices and are having a ball. What could be better.

The the Act of Valor thing; this puts the camera debate to bed. If the 5d can pull off thousands of giant movie screens, so can the AF100, GH2, Scarlet, etc, etc, etc.

Now I'm going to go shoot something, for the love of Christ!
 
Barry_Green said:
As far as codecs go, what Driftwood is doing with the GH2 is now years ahead of many pro cameras... My guess is that they won't catch up soon, making for a really strange marketplace where an $800 body is blowing away (imagewise, yes, I understand the enormous problem of no headphone jack) all other cameras until the 10k range, and leaving some very strange reasoning as to why not to use the GH2... like its shape, for example.
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[/QUOTE]Barry, stand corrected the Cosimo's quote please. Otherwise, it will sound strange. It is not you speaking ;)
 
Barry_Green said:
No, the functionality is the problem. Which is accentuated by the shape. The video is good enough now, more than good enough. Heck, the 5D has arguably the worst quality video of any DSLR, yet it's on the big screen in nationwide release in "Act Of Valor." So it is no longer a question of video quality -- to me, at least. It is about usability and functionality.
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It is also about look-like. We cannot get the same outcome with a 2/3" camera. Reason enough, I'd rather believe Scarlet would be a S35 camera instead. And even among large sensor size cameras, we have distinct results.

 
LOL Crazy forum software. When I try to edit or delete the post, it replicates it : D

I quit!

Jason,

help! :-)
 
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Cosimo Bullo said:
Barry, much respect to you. But the truth is I'm jut I'm just not getting your argument. I literally don't understand exactly what you're saying.
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I do, though. I feel it every time I use a real camera. Epic, and even when I picked up the C300 my brain immediately went "oh, that's right... this is what it's like."

F65 is four or five times the size of Epic, it's heavy, but after getting over the size and having it on my shoulder, again.. "oh..man.. this is how you make movies."

I get what he's saying. And, I like DSLRs as well.
The the Act of Valor thing; this puts the camera debate to bed. If the 5d can pull off thousands of giant movie screens, so can the AF100, GH2, Scarlet, etc, etc, etc.
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Why do you need a 5D when you can use an XL1 like danny boyle!?!?!?!
 
Barry_Green said:
As far as codecs go, what Driftwood is doing with the GH2 is now years ahead of many pro cameras... My guess is that they won't catch up soon, making for a really strange marketplace where an $800 body is blowing away (imagewise, yes, I understand the enormous problem of no headphone jack) all other cameras until the 10k range, and leaving some very strange reasoning as to why not to use the GH2... like its shape, for example.
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[/QUOTE]Barry, stand corrected the Cosimo's quote please. Otherwise, it will sound strange. It is not you speaking ;)
 
Barry_Green said:
No, the functionality is the problem. Which is accentuated by the shape. The video is good enough now, more than good enough. Heck, the 5D has arguably the worst quality video of any DSLR, yet it's on the big screen in nationwide release in "Act Of Valor." So it is no longer a question of video quality -- to me, at least. It is about usability and functionality.
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It is also about look-like. We cannot get the same outcome with a 2/3" camera. Reason enough, I'd rather believe Scarlet would be a S35 camera instead. And even among large sensor size cameras, we have distinct results.

 
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