rogar-Mad(DBG):I don't hold anything of these comparisons - you can manipulate too much
Why should he manipulate anything?
550D/GH13 comparision shot
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Why should he manipulate anything?
adammada
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:-Cry(DBG):I cannot confirm this horrific Qualy of the T2i from the post #117 - maybe
Michael Anthony Horrigan
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Guys, who gives a **** what camera is best? I've got news for you, there will be a better camera out than the ones you're whining about in no time.
I swear, some guys just run their cameras through the paces but never actually do anything with them.
I've seen amazing stuff from BOTH cameras. Get out there and contribute to that.
Not pointing fingers, just sick of the back and forth silliness.
MAH
I swear, some guys just run their cameras through the paces but never actually do anything with them.
I've seen amazing stuff from BOTH cameras. Get out there and contribute to that.
Not pointing fingers, just sick of the back and forth silliness.
MAH
WAIT
What is this!??!?! NEW GH1 FIRMWARE THAT SOLVES ALL THE GH1 WEAKNESSES!??!?! ZOMGGGGGGGGGGGGG
wow, this is awesome. this is what i get for not visiting dvxuser more often
edit: okay got a little excited there. clearly it doesn't solve all of the weaknesses, but higher bitrate and no mud? still awesome!
What is this!??!?! NEW GH1 FIRMWARE THAT SOLVES ALL THE GH1 WEAKNESSES!??!?! ZOMGGGGGGGGGGGGG
wow, this is awesome. this is what i get for not visiting dvxuser more often
edit: okay got a little excited there. clearly it doesn't solve all of the weaknesses, but higher bitrate and no mud? still awesome!
ROCKMORE
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It's exciting for all the users of all the cameras. This hack will push Canon to get their gear in order and make a release at or before the release of the AF100. We win again. Go technology!
Martti Ekstrand
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Then just show us a frame with better Qualy from your camera. Insinuating that a fellow forum member intentionally manipulates a comparison shoot to bias one camera over another without providing any proof is down right insulting.
Michael Anthony Horrigan
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Not sure he meant it that way.
As Barry pointed out earlier...
MAH
Martti Ekstrand
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Michael Anthony Horrigan
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Not trying to make anything up at all. Just saying that tests like the ones posted in this thread mean very little. Get two great filmmakers with both cameras shooting the same thing in the same conditions and then you'll have have something.
One mistake in exposure, ISO, lens, anything, can yield VERY different results.
If we relied on tests like these for important studies I can only imagine how distorted the results would be.
Your mileage may vary.
PS - I haven't looked through every post but from what I've seen it's just a lot of people bitching that their camera is better than x camera. And without any hard evidence to back it up. In the end? Who cares?
One mistake in exposure, ISO, lens, anything, can yield VERY different results.
If we relied on tests like these for important studies I can only imagine how distorted the results would be.
Your mileage may vary.
PS - I haven't looked through every post but from what I've seen it's just a lot of people bitching that their camera is better than x camera. And without any hard evidence to back it up. In the end? Who cares?
aituv
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Straight from t2i:
Colored in post:
Bottom line, i don't care what is says on the body, t2i, t25, or gh5, etc, if my client is blown away by the end result, thats all i need. If they're happy - i'm happy. My friend went from ex3's or 1's (dont recall exactly) to gh1 (hacked gh13) with his team, and his work sucks, and?? cool he has 3 gh13. My other friends are all using sony z1u's, and their work inspires me, who would ever care what they're using? Maybe all of you posting all these comparisons dont realize that the users here buy all this stuff...and frankly much of it is very trashy. those defend canon, others love panny...this war will never stop. just get something you love to shoot with, after all its just a tool - it wont make you a better filmmaker, its the content and story that counts! "shoot it with the iphone 4 for all i care, if there's a story that's good, i'll love it!"
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Bottom line, i don't care what is says on the body, t2i, t25, or gh5, etc, if my client is blown away by the end result, thats all i need. If they're happy - i'm happy. My friend went from ex3's or 1's (dont recall exactly) to gh1 (hacked gh13) with his team, and his work sucks, and?? cool he has 3 gh13. My other friends are all using sony z1u's, and their work inspires me, who would ever care what they're using? Maybe all of you posting all these comparisons dont realize that the users here buy all this stuff...and frankly much of it is very trashy. those defend canon, others love panny...this war will never stop. just get something you love to shoot with, after all its just a tool - it wont make you a better filmmaker, its the content and story that counts! "shoot it with the iphone 4 for all i care, if there's a story that's good, i'll love it!"
I have no reason to favour one camera before the other, as I own both and have much bigger investment in Canon gear. As this is technical forum, I post my purely technical findings and not what I shot with cameras.
That being said, I'm not in any way attached to any manufacturer and I'm positively excited by development which has taken place in last year.
That being said, I'm not in any way attached to any manufacturer and I'm positively excited by development which has taken place in last year.
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I agree. When using shallow DOF (which allows codec to allocate bitrate to sharp stuff) and re-scaling Canon video to "manageable" resolution which most people use, Canon is great. It's detailed stuff in 1080p which it has problems with.
Michael Anthony Horrigan
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When I see footage like this with multiple cameras and good glass the rest of the BS goes out the window.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=213896
Get out there and shoot!
Just look at this stuff!
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=197247
MAH
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=213896
Get out there and shoot!
Just look at this stuff!
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=197247
MAH
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We know that people can do great work with x camera.
GrunF was comparing cameras that he owns and sharing the results.
He's definitely allowed to do that, especially if he's presenting findings without Bias.
People accusing him of flubbing comparisons need to get a grip.
Michael Anthony Horrigan
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I agree with that but these tests are hardly academic.
Give me two cameras and let me take some pictures and I'll get different results.
And I may not be using either one to its potential.
I have no idea who "GrunF" is and I am not claiming anything. The people who are claiming a winner based on these results are the ones kidding themselves.
Like I said, get two guys who know each camera inside out and shoot some charts together.
MAH
Trust me, there are charts coming from plenty reliable sources. And they're showing the exact same findings. It's not about a "winner" at all. grunF is commenting on which image is technically "better". For him, and a lot of people, it's obvious that the GH1 with the hack is a much more resolute and clean image.
Hunter showed it, Cownpunk showed it, GrunF showed it, Philip Bloom wrote it in his blog and now there'll be charts and reports from certain people that put it to rest.
One thing is for sure: it won't make ANY camera better for everyone. Just technically better, from there people are okay to make their own choices.
Michael Anthony Horrigan
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Agreed.
So is it better in all areas? Low light, everything?
These hacks are great. Very good for the future of film-making either way.
I want to see these charts though. That will tell me exactly how much of a difference we'll be seeing.
MAH
From my experience with all, they're comparable in lowlight. But my lowlight isn't shooting under street lamps, so. That's not even what GrunF is pointing out, though. He's STRICTLY showing that the GH1 just flat out outresolves the T2i when it comes to detail.
You'll see charts, and then someone'll call those charts wrong or flubbed or whatever.
Michael Anthony Horrigan
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I won't. Not that I really care anyway. As I've said throughout this thread, it's what you do with the camera.
They are all so good now that it honestly doesn't matter. Just my opinion though.
MAH
aituv
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nope. i give my clients blu-ray disc's - full 1080p. t2i footage on it, 7D and 5D mkii. why did i never pay attention to these "detail problems" you're talking about? oh...maybe because they were never there. clients are normal people, not technical geeks - thats who we deal with, thats majority of who i do my work for. they dont care and will never notice whatever you're talking about, even though i myself dont even know what you're talking about. good luck with your career bud, hope you make a living out of this - comparing cameras, while we enjoy what we do and put smiles on our clients' faces.