4K Sony Handycam

I knew it would happen, I just didn't expect it until next year at the earliest.
It's still a prototype, but it's a start.
 
Whoa! HDV déjà vu.

Just as the Sony Z1U was the first prosumer HDV camera that took off, this 4K camera looks to be almost the same thing in terms of the basic design and ergonomics.

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It looks like an AX2000/NX5U with 4K stamped on it. No name, no specs...basically Sony's version of the Canon 4K hairdryer shown a while ago.
 
I'm possibly one of the few people that is depressed by the looming shadow of 4k-everything (maybe it is because I was working in broadcast through the whole digital conversion apocalypse). I think that almost anyone rational has to admit that no one needs (or will be able to see the difference in) 4k television, but this is evidently the price we are going to pay to save the Japanese electronics industry. The funny thing is that this is the same line of reasoning I heard from several Sony reps back when we were buying $90K HDcams, how HD was going to save the Japanese broadcast industry.
 
Include 60p in a resolution above 720p and Keep the price reasonable and this could be a winner.
 
LyleGorch said:
I'm possibly one of the few people that is depressed by the looming shadow of 4k-everything (maybe it is because I was working in broadcast through the whole digital conversion apocalypse). I think that almost anyone rational has to admit that no one needs (or will be able to see the difference in) 4k television, but this is evidently the price we are going to pay to save the Japanese electronics industry. The funny thing is that this is the same line of reasoning I heard from several Sony reps back when we were buying $90K HDcams, how HD was going to save the Japanese broadcast industry.
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I'm with you. I think it is great that 4k cameras like the Scarlet and Epic exist, but high quality 1080p and 2k seems like it still has some room for growth. It hasn't been that long since the whole HD DSLR revolution was the here and now, and we're now just getting beyond the next big step above that in terms of affordability (first was cams like the AF100 and FS100, now we're getting stuff like the Canon C100 and the Blackmagic Cinema Camera).

I guess an expensive computer upgrade is in the cards for me in another year, maybe two years at the most once the 4k push begins. Hopefully there will at least be some efficient compressed 4k formats and codecs that don't take up a gajillion terabytes per project. I doubt all of us are going to need 4k RAW for everything we shoot.

Also, are those of us that can't afford a full Red Scarlet or Epic setup gonna have to go back to 1/3 sensor cameras for the first few years of the 4k revolution?

Another thought is I am done buying movies on disc or some sort of home media format. Now we can look forward to another format change-up for 4k, or better yet, another format war.
 
starcentral said:
I wonder what this would be like with Brevis or RedRock micro ?

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I was thinking the same exact thing, I always liked the look of a high quality dof adapter, As long as the thing has a decent low light ability, it could be fun to try it out and see what it looks like.
 
In a while the choice for 5 to 7 thousand dollar cameras will be - small chip 4K with less DR, less control over dof, less low light sensitivity, and who knows what codec, or a large sensor 1080 camera with benefits in all areas other than resolution. Much rather have the latter.
 
Nektonic said:
I guess an expensive computer upgrade is in the cards for me in another year, maybe two years at the most once the 4k push begins. Hopefully there will at least be some efficient compressed 4k formats and codecs that don't take up a gajillion terabytes per project. I doubt all of us are going to need 4k RAW for everything we shoot.
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I'm sure there will be compressed codecs that take up significantly less space but will be very CPU/GPU intensive to work with (just like HDV was back in '04/'05). At least moving from HD to 4K will be more straight forward than the move from SD to HD which included a move from analog to digital, a new aspect ratio and new frame rates.
 
I can see how this can make sense for camera and TV etc. hardware manufacturers, but where is the demand coming from? Is it a situation like with 3D where it's the content industry that is pushing it more than audiences demanding it - since 3D can cut down on the piracy and you can ask for more $ from audiences? Or is there some kind of organic demand from end users? The last time there was genuine demand from end users was going from VHS to DVD. Even the BluRay thing was a bit of a stretch and many are happy with DVD. But which end users are clamoring for 4K TVs and 4K acquisition in general? I wonder if the hardware manufacturers are not overestimating the end user demand a bit. The transition to DVD was very fast and SD to HD, but 2K to 4K? Maybe. I guess I just don't have a good feel for this, so I'm just really curious what you guys think?
 
Time to revive my "2013 will be the death of HD" thread.... I really really really cannot see why the hell we should stay down in the lows. It's called f'ing progress, and by summer there will be more of these fellars with higher quality sensors that will match the current HD and 2K sensors in DR and so on.

Get over the HD fad... 4K is here, now... anyone wanna buy an FS100?

pulpfiction007 said:
In a while the choice for 5 to 7 thousand dollar cameras will be - small chip 4K with less DR, less control over dof, less low light sensitivity, and who knows what codec, or a large sensor 1080 camera with benefits in all areas other than resolution. Much rather have the latter.
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You say that like things are going to stay that way forever... naive.
 
If HD was a "fad" then 4k is more like HDV.
It has already been said that 8k is where we should be, so why 4k?
Are we only using 4k to get better HD?

If the people don't want it then who will buy it?

I'm all for moving forward but I'm not for hype.
If people are not wanting it then it's hype to me.
 
pulpfiction007 said:
In a while the choice for 5 to 7 thousand dollar cameras will be - small chip 4K with less DR, less control over dof, less low light sensitivity, and who knows what codec, or a large sensor 1080 camera with benefits in all areas other than resolution. Much rather have the latter.
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I'm not convinced. I can see Sony releasing a 4K NEX-VGxx camera. Much of the VG30's problem is the aliasing due to an OLPF optimized for still acquisition. There shouldn't be as much of a problem at 4K.
 
I really don't get it, you need some serious equipment just to make 1080p look the best it can, so why would anyone want a cheap camera that shoots a resolution it won't make use of? It's the same as comparing a chinese knock-off LCD 4K TV with a Panasonic 1080p Plasma, I'd rather have the plasma, thank-you-very-much.

4K matters when you're not shooting shaky blurry hand-held footage, you need good stabilization equipment to make sure you are actually getting 4K worth of resolution in every frame, because how many people are going to invest in quality tripods, sliders, jibs, and steadicams just to put THIS camera on top?
 
The problem with aliasing is primarily caused by line skipping, not the OLPF. The sensor contains many more photo sites than are required for a 1920x1080 frame. Rather than read out all those pixels and combine them in an optimal manner to create a properly down-sampled image, the camera constructs the 1920x1080 frame by discarding many of the pixel values. That's what causes aliasing on all the existing NEX cameras.
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I'm not convinced. I can see Sony releasing a 4K NEX-VGxx camera. Much of the VG30's problem is the aliasing due to an OLPF optimized for still acquisition. There shouldn't be as much of a problem at 4K.
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Tzedekh said:
I'm not convinced. I can see Sony releasing a 4K NEX-VGxx camera. Much of the VG30's problem is the aliasing due to an OLPF optimized for still acquisition. There shouldn't be as much of a problem at 4K.
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Really, the AX2000 is still above $3500 bucks. I agree that Sony, JVC and others will release lower models with 4K. But the style of cam they previewed will be 6 to 7 thousand IF it comes out soon....based upon what their 1080 prosumer cams go for.
 
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