4-cam comparison -- initial response

Thank you very much to everyone that made this big comparison possible. I look forward to seeing the final results.


-A
 
evinsky said:
(...) in fact no SD camera at all (Except for Shannon's little handycam) in the test.
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What handycam?...'cause if it is Z1U that you're talking about, I'd say what's your numbers that are saying Sony's 1080i as SD and not truly HD? I'd like to know with objectivity. Thanks in advance.

As I said before, despite the BAD fame, all the Sony footage stuff that I saw, it seems to me clean and real HD. That is, without SD video noise, as well. The same I cannot say about HVX or XL-H1. My eyes don't care about charts, only cinematic images.

If you have any doubt, please, it follows one Z1U footage sample posted before: http://www.poetsofthefall.com/videos/lift/

<PS> That's interesting this hate to Sony (I dislike them too but Panasonic, JVC or any other it means the same: a business like any other) and all this subjective childish aura around any Panasonic product. I don't know regarding any one of you, my fellows, but I don't have any brand interest. My only brand is the motion picture.
 
Is there anybody that has seen Hollywood's "Fever Pitch"?...I hadn't. OK!...it's not my genre of movie either...but Z1U is there@35mm (ending titles); High Def(.com) Magazine Vol. 7 Issue 3, page 19.
 
Barry and everyone involved, thank you for your time. I believe, like me, many are awaiting to jump to HD and are looking to get there in one of these cameras. This shootout is a must see.

I also heard in another forum that you decided to go for a Mac based solution. Here's something from a fellow Mac user:

Can you try to test the workflow problems comparing dvcprohd and HDV on an out of the box Powermac g5? Something on the line of realtime tracks and render times for both formats? And how do both survive color correction and keying? (probably am asking too specific and subjective questions...:)
 
robweiner said:
Barry, the Sony is notorious for being "slow", but isn't that the reason the picture is so clean. If we crank up the sensitivity of the chip, it looks noisier.
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Exactly. That's the tradeoff you have to make.

Also, any thoughts from the participants about the quality of the eyepieces and the flip-out screens?
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We didn't do a lot of operator subjective testing, although that would have been nice. As the images are the most similar aspect, it'd behoove someone to spend some time with the ergonomics and check out the other features before making their decision.
 
Emanuel said:
What handycam?...'cause if it is Z1U that you're talking about, I'd say what's your numbers that are saying Sony's 1080i as SD and not truly HD? I'd like to know with objectivity. Thanks in advance.
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Nothing like that. Shannon brought along a little Sony consumer camera, something like a TRV17 or something, with which he was doing a little behind-the-scenes work and interviews etc.
 
SPZ said:
Can you try to test the workflow problems comparing dvcprohd and HDV on an out of the box Powermac g5? Something on the line of realtime tracks and render times for both formats? And how do both survive color correction and keying? (probably am asking too specific and subjective questions...:)
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I'm sure there are many here who could give you those answers; I haven't even decided which Mac to order yet.
 
Barry_Green said:
Emanuel said:
What handycam?...'cause if it is Z1U that you're talking about, I'd say what's your numbers that are saying Sony's 1080i as SD and not truly HD? I'd like to know with objectivity. Thanks in advance.
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Nothing like that. Shannon brought along a little Sony consumer camera, something like a TRV17 or something, with which he was doing a little behind-the-scenes work and interviews etc.
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Thanks, as always, Barry. Grateful for the objective enlightenment.
 
Emanuel said:
Is there anybody that has seen Hollywood's "Fever Pitch"?...I hadn't. OK!...it's not my genre of movie either...but Z1U is there@35mm (ending titles); High Def(.com) Magazine Vol. 7 Issue 3, page 19.
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Now the DVX User's Super-Camera-Man Community can read about "a little dummy Z1U" in Hollywood

FeverPitch_Z1U.jpg


HighDef.com, Magazine Vol. 7, Issue 3, page 19.

Have a fun!!!




SJUSER
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Thanks Barry for your time to do this test.

Barry, this test actually is positive. Often we have limited choices. This test proves that you can't really go wrong with any of 4 choices. If I'm correct that is a first on these small form professional camcorders.

Barry I was asked what I thought of the H1 vs the HVX200. I am curious what you think of what I wrote.... I think is sums up those two cams quite well. Please take a look and comment...

the link: http://www.dvxuser.com/V3/showpost.php?p=401430&postcount=17


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Rodrigo said:
LOL... SJ, then just IMAGINE what the HVX200 will be capable of... for JUST a thousand dollars more
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Sorry but people are still not getting the point. The first is a fact that SD times are over and than everything what was good in SD it is not so good for HD. DVX was great in SD. HVX is trying to catch a step with DVX popularity and "Varicam's proud legacy". But something is wrong with it. There are more powerful contras than pros. The first contra is a very high HVX-P2 kit price and the second is that competition cam's can do the same for a less cost. People have to realize that HD is more different environment than SD. The rules are totally different. It is about the evolution. Not a revolution because HD was existing before. Unfortunately HVX with P2 is not a revolution. HD IT workfow was born when the first HD-SDI signal streamed from HD cam to RAID. Maybe they did it with Viper or Cinealta I do not remember now. And it was even uncompressed 4:4:4. So I desperately looking forward to see all those 4 cam tests to confirm my opinion.

SJUSER
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http://www.sanjinjukic.com/index_panasonicHD_P2.html
 
jimagine said:
Lesson: don't ask for more than your really need. I imagine that this new camera will deliver all the potential that most anyone here will need for a while to come in their creative pursuits.
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Jimagine:

Thanks for the insightful post.

I've waited for a long time for something like the HVX200: it is good enough for what I want to do, at a price I can afford.

Something better will always be around the corner, and those who want better can wait. But until then, you will create nothing.

My waiting is done. It is time to create.

I say this out of a sense of urgency. A friend of mine recently discovered he has Parkinson's disease. If you got a dream, go for it now, while you have the chance.
 
SJUSER said:
HVX is trying to catch a step with DVX popularity and "Varicam's proud legacy". But something is wrong with it. There are more powerful contras than pros. The first contra is a very high HVX-P2 kit price and the second is that competition cam's can do the same for a less cost. People have to realize that HD is more different environment than SD. The rules are totally different. It is about the evolution. Not a revolution because HD was existing before. Unfortunately HVX with P2 is not a revolution. HD IT workfow was born when the first HD-SDI signal streamed from HD cam to RAID. Maybe they did it with Viper or Cinealta I do not remember now. And it was even uncompressed 4:4:4. So I desperately looking forward to see all those 4 cam tests to confirm my opinion.

SJUSER
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http://www.sanjinjukic.com/index_panasonicHD_P2.html
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Sjuser:

I've read many of your posts and I can't understand what your points are, most of the time.

You seem to like the Sony Z1 and describe the HVX200 as a "bomb" (some other post... which I can't seem to find now). If you're so upset about aspects of the HVX (expensive P2) then don't buy it.

I drive a Toyota Tercel... I don't spend time in the Mercedes dealership complaining about their prices.:laugh:
 
SJUSER said:
Sorry but people are still not getting the point. The first is a fact that SD times are over and than everything what was good in SD it is not so good for HD. DVX was great in SD. HVX is trying to catch a step with DVX popularity and "Varicam's proud legacy". But something is wrong with it. There are more powerful contras than pros. The first contra is a very high HVX-P2 kit price and the second is that competition cam's can do the same for a less cost.
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Its clear the only answer you want to hear is that your FX1E is a better camera than the HVX200. I don't think you're going to be 'feeling the love' on a forum called HVX200. What first hand experience do you have with the HVX that qualifies you to dismiss it? If there's an HVX in Europe, I'd love to know where (seriously). If you're happy with the FX1E, then why not go out and produce great things with it? I'm still out on which camera best suits my needs, but once I bite the bullet, you won't see me on these forums for several months.:laugh:
 
Bascially SJ's post is saying "the HVX isnt a revolution cos its been done before, and I hope the shootout will confirm it".

huh?

wicked....
 
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