24P Basic

ENIGMACODE

ENIGMACODE

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Hello Gang

Haven't been here in a while. 65 year old WWII filmmaker still using several 100B's. Started in 2006.

Can someone tell me how to determine if a tape was recorded in 24P basic. Most of my stuff was, but some wasn't.

Will I see it upon playback somewhere in the camera display? If so, I suppose it must be played back on a DVX to see that data. I also use a handy inexpensive portable Mini Cam to strickly capture footage, saving the heads on the DVX.


Thanx

Mike
http://www.ww2survivorstories.com/previews.html
 
Hello Ken - thanks for the reply

I'm not sure if/how Media Info will work with my set up? I strickly use a Mac OS for editing. However I'm always using a PC for other things. Media Info looks like a PC program.

Other than recognizing visually, (which I'm pretty good at). Was wondering if there was something more accurate like some type of data stamped/encrytic message on the clip which I could read in FC6?

http://mediainfo.sourceforge.net/en < Take a looksee


And BTW, for the record, my understanding is that 24P Basic is irreversible once it drops a frame in record mode. I never used 24P Advanced. If for some reason I forget to set the camera for 24P, I use a simple program called DVFilm which drops a frame in post, and gives a simliar matching appearance.


http://www.locationstudio.net/Sample1.jpg < Here's a sample of a 24P clip condensed to medium output, (edited from FC6), then brought over to my PC to be analyzed thru Media Info. And the other 1/2 is here: http://www.locationstudio.net/Sample2.jpg

Does this tell you anything? The aspect size is smaller because I condensed it for the web. And it sez the frame rate was 14.985 ?????


Thanks
Mike


I guess I'll have to continue to look closley 'by eye'.

Thanks Mike

http://www.ww2survivorstories.com/
 
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Play back the tapes and turn on the counter and cycle through the options; IIRC it'll tell you if it's 24p normal or 24pA.
 
Hello Barry - nice to hear from you. I have your wonderful book. Thank you for making it possible. Could you give me an idea where I might find this information in your book? I've got a tape in the camera, and going thru the playback menu, but can't find what you were talking about. I see 'Playback Options' and 'User File'. Could you give me a better idea?


Thank you Barry

Mike

http://www.ww2survivorstories < This entire documentary, (still in progress), was shot on 100B's
 
Counter display options are controlled by the appropriately-named button on the left side of the camera.
 
Hello Alex - Thanx

Yes, I'd like to get beyond those controls as Barry pointed out. He's onto something - I just need to know where it is, (within the playback menu) options. I can get there, but just need to know where that data can be found, (read above). He mentions IIRC
 
It's not in the menus. Just play the tape back, and press the "COUNTER" button inside the LCD panel. That will cycle through the timecode display options. One of those options will be to display the frame rate of the footage being played; it will say "60i" or "30P" or 24PA or 24p.
 
Hi again Barry - thank you - yes I've got the hang of it now - I can see where in some cases I shot in 60i, but most were in 24p. At some point, before I knew what the broadcast upconvert options/limitations were, I experimented and breifly went back to 60i. Someone told me upconverting to HD would go smoother when recorded at 60i. However I never went back to 60i after that, because my main goal was to stay with 24p regardless with the WWII documentary. For that separate footage I shot with 60i, I picked up a simple conversion software called DVFilm which drops a frame and does batch coversions. It seems to get the job done, unless anyone else out there knows where there might be a better 24p convert software?


Thanks
Mike

http://www.ww2survivorstories.com/
 
ENIGMACODE said:
Hi again Barry - thank you - yes I've got the hang of it now - I can see where in some cases I shot in 60i, but most were in 24p. At some point, before I knew what the broadcast upconvert options/limitations were, I experimented and breifly went back to 60i. Someone told me upconverting to HD would go smoother when recorded at 60i. However I never went back to 60i after that, because my main goal was to stay with 24p regardless with the WWII documentary. For that separate footage I shot with 60i, I picked up a simple conversion software called DVFilm which drops a frame and does batch coversions. It seems to get the job done, unless anyone else out there knows where there might be a better 24p convert software?


Thanks
Mike

http://www.ww2survivorstories.com/
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There's no reason 60i would give you a better upconvert to HD unless you want it for the motion cadence it gives you. Progressive (either 30p or 24p) with the Vert. Det. Freq. set to THIN will have more vertical resolution than 60i and thus will give you more vertical resolution when upconverted. (Horizontal resolution is the same for all.)

But that's not really the right reason to choose a frame rate; you should choose it because it gives you the look you want for your project. Different frame rates move differently. Choose the one which is best for your artistic purposes, or the one you just plain like the best for the project. (24p and 24pA are the same for that purpose.)
 
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