1DC: 1dc or 1dx Mark ii
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DeanFS7
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Really? I use one of the profiles and can easily match it up with my C300 MKII, I haven't found a better profile for roll off.
I find it really difficult, I'm not sure if its WB etc but even with a colour chart it just takes an age, I did a test with the neutral profile and matched in minutes.
Whats your process for WB and matching?
I have a 1DX II and C200, the main issue for me is that if the WB is off on the 1DX II it's harder to fix than if it were 10-12 bit, a lot of problems stem from that (stuff like green tint from windows vs actual daylight or daylight balanced sources, ect).
You don't need log or log emulation on the 1DX II. I created log emulations after the 1DX II came out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIyV1_ECGrA (includes a free unlocked picture style; probably was the first released log emulation for the 1DX II). Here the studio shots are C300 II, and location are 1DX II using my log emulation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mIVRphxFHU . I had a challenging time in post with skin/color for the 1DX II log emulation footage. Here's an early prototype moving away from log emulation (also shows how to make 1080p look like 4K): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIw1CpYKk0c
Thus, after shooting in many lighting conditions, I found too much was lost in the midtones (skin tones). I also tested CineStyle: same results. So I dropped log emulation and focused on making the best possible skin tones, straight from the camera: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydip7TixJbg . As you can see Filmic Skin works in all conditions, include high dynamic range shots at the beach in direct sunlight, while producing great skin tones. I doubt Canon's CLog on the 5DIV will capture much more in the highlights (and similarly if CLog was available on the 1DX II). I also shoot with the C300 II, and while Canon Log 2 and the C300 II's sensor provide more DR, in practice the 1DX II has been fine. Lately I've been focusing on WYSIWYG- so no log, no huge color space, just great color and contrast for skin tones, straight from the camera.
Thanks for the information.
I too feel that even Cinestyle took away from the image. Though I do feel the 1dc with Canon log had more room in the highlights.
So far I do like the 1dx2 image very much, i just wish I could stop the sky from blowing out so much.
I find you have to underexpose to save the highlights and stop the colours from being over bright, but then you also have to deal with the over crushed blacks, I feel like I am constantly dancing between the two.
How do you deal with and expose the image on the 1dx2?
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The 1DC was pretty fantastic. It dealt with blowing out more natural looking than many cameras. Had it had a 10bit option, that organic look would have translated better. The banding looked lo-fi digital sometimes. Shadows were pretty weak, since the highlights were so beautiful in C-Log. I much prefer that look to other digital cameras. But for shooting in the spontaneous wild, the latitude lacked from time to time. The smaller ergonomic form factor made me want to take the camera everywhere and shoot, but the 11.5+ stops dynamic range ran into sticky situations from time to time in the wild. At least with 10bit, there could have been a more organic look to the blow outs and shadows. The 1dxii is probably a better camera in many ways, but in today's camera climate, the 1dxii doesn't carry the same mojo.
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I never owned the 1DC but it was my dream camera for years. It has such a gorgeous image. The saddest part of this is that it's pretty obvious now that it was a one-time experiment. We can only hope that a future 1DX III (due with the 2020 Olympics) will implement more Cinema EOS features like C-Log and 10/12 bit recording.
MJPEG could easily be redesigned for 10 bit or 12 bit color depth, as JPEG has many possible implementations. The problem is that in a weather sealed body like the 1D series, and unlike the smaller GH5/GH5S, the heat generated by a large sensor is possibly too much without reverting to a new generation of sensors. So we may never get 10 bit All-I video in a 1D body until Canon develops new sensors that don't require the same venting and cooling as in their dedicated cinema cameras. Moreover, they might feel as if they are undermining the C200 and other Cinema EOS cameras by offering all of that in the 1D series.
But I do hope that someone at Canon sees the light and decides to release a 1DC II. Some shooters just need the best image quality in the most portable and mobile package and these people are willing to pay the C200 price simply to have those same video features in a DSLR body.
MJPEG could easily be redesigned for 10 bit or 12 bit color depth, as JPEG has many possible implementations. The problem is that in a weather sealed body like the 1D series, and unlike the smaller GH5/GH5S, the heat generated by a large sensor is possibly too much without reverting to a new generation of sensors. So we may never get 10 bit All-I video in a 1D body until Canon develops new sensors that don't require the same venting and cooling as in their dedicated cinema cameras. Moreover, they might feel as if they are undermining the C200 and other Cinema EOS cameras by offering all of that in the 1D series.
But I do hope that someone at Canon sees the light and decides to release a 1DC II. Some shooters just need the best image quality in the most portable and mobile package and these people are willing to pay the C200 price simply to have those same video features in a DSLR body.
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How do the shadows, skin tones, and sky+highlights look?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UywOZIkpT4k
I use Filmic Skin, then expose for the highlights. Shadows also work well, skin tones are preserved, and very little work is needed in post (no LUTs or curve tweaks required): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydip7TixJbg
indiawilds
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Unfortunately when the 1DC was released, it was thoroughly panned for the high price. There are very few people who need both the stills and video with the weather sealing. I am one of those. However, Canon doesn't want to price the camera out of the stills only guys and don't want to kill sales of their video cameras. Canon doesn't realise that there are situations where I can't use the C300 and have to use the 1DXII. Not giving log to 1DXII is because of lack of competition in that segment and to prevent eating up sales of the cinema cameras.
This is exactly it. The 1DX II had to compete with Nikon's price for the D5, so they could not raise it in order to protect the more expensive Cinema EOS cameras with C-Log.
Now they are stuck with no 1DC replacement, a 1DX II that is compromised, and a 5DIV that offers C-Log but has to crop the full-frame sensor. It's really an unfortunate outcome!
NorBro
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I remember watching so many 1DC videos 5-6 years ago and I was so in love with that camera. I could not afford it back then and eventually technology caught up and a bunch of fun cameras came out that changed the industry, but a little part of me is still alive for it and I do wish an 8K 1DC II would be released. A product that would continue the 1DC's legacy and be the first to offer that resolution (and other cool features) in a DSLR body. I've said before that it will never happen, but it would be nice.