C200: $1,000 Price Drop.....C500MKII coming soon?

chris f

chris f

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Just a normal 2-year price drop. Someone told me a month ago this was coming...I guess a lot of people in sales know when price drops are going to happen or at least the season for them.

And the C500 II rumor has been swirling for years. IMO, it doesn't matter as much anymore what they call the next camera(s) as the world is different than it was back then. And supposedly the C300 Mark II also wasn't that successful, not like the first one.
 
I don't know which C300 or 500 is coming. No one even knows which S1H is coming. But we know enough. We do know that it will be a full frame 6K camera for about $4,000. And that blows out of the water the C-line on specs and price. So, C300 MK III would have to be something similar. And C500 would have to be a full frame 8K.

The real question is whether it will be EF or R.
 
R because you could use glass from both mounts.

And supposedly the high-end R lenses are superior.
 
The way they're cranking out R Lenses, it wouldn't surprise me if they just re-released the C300MKII and the C200 with native R Mounts and maybe like one incremental improvement and call it a day.

I still can't shake the lack of buzz that was at Canon's cinegear program, would be shocked if something new and interesting came out anytime soon from them.
 
chris f said:
C200 price drop: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1340800-REG/canon_2215c002_eos_c200_ef_camera.html
C500mkii rumor: https://www.canonrumors.com/is-the-canon-eos-c500-mark-ii-finally-coming-in-2019-cr1/


Thoughts? I would think Canon would want to distance them from the C500 stink and stay in the C300 success lane and do a C300MK3 instead....

Also, if they come out with an 8K camera that still sucks on slow motion options I might light a bag of poo on their porch.
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I spent some time in meetings at Canon Burbank pre-NAB and I agree with you Chris, I will be surprised, with all of the layoffs and facility closings, if Canon is planning on introducing anything new and meaningful anytime soon.

I really, really hope that they don't come out with an 8K camera. But they will probably have to because it's the next logical step in the camera marketing/PR "keeping up with the Joneses" evolution of pointlessness.
I can say with confidence that unless motivated by a client delivery requirement, I will never buy an 8K, 12K or 16K camera or at least not until they are cheap and dime a dozen and a commodity item like 4K is
these days. And storage has came down a lot more in price and GPUs and much faster computers make dealing with that pointless raster size bearable. Right now, my top of the line 2019 iMac can't even handle
4K multicam without choking or going to proxy. 8K is just going to be worse, much more worse.

It's like our industry is walking at high speed into a brick wall that symbolizes technologies that nobody or very, very few customers need, want or really care about. VR, FF, 360 video, HDR, 3D, 8K/12K/16K video.
With each passing intro of new pointless, expensive technology, I dig my feet in and just say, "enough." We need some Stasis in the business more than we need these incredibly small return, relatively pointless technologies.
 
We only know one thing. They will befuddle and bewilder us with whatever they release.
 
puredrifting said:
... I really, really hope that they don't come out with an 8K camera.
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Canon's been playing with an experimental 8K camera for three years now. At some point, they'd have to release a 2020 version of it.

It's like our industry is walking at high speed into a brick wall that symbolizes technologies that nobody or very, very few customers need, want or really care about. VR, FF, 360 video, HDR, 3D, 8K/12K/16K video.
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The tech portion of the industry has run into the human eye/brain limit. It's been twenty years in coming - over thirty, if you count still photography - but the improvements at this point have very little to do with the image quality. All that's left then is the work flow and, once that's exhausted, price commodization.

PS. When you think about it in historical terms, this isn't a new phenomenon. Rail transportation reached its limits as a passenger service about 100 years ago. Air transport hasn't changed much since Boeing 707 went up in the air. Automobiles are at a level where a racing/supercar performance can be had for an average annual wage (in the US). At least, giant sea ships have become profitable floating buffets.
 
DLD said:
Canon's been playing with an experimental 8K camera for three years now. At some point, they'd have to release a 2020 version of it.



The tech portion of the industry has run into the human eye/brain limit. It's been twenty years in coming - over thirty, if you count still photography - but the improvements at this point have very little to do with the image quality. All that's left then is the work flow and, once that's exhausted, price commodization.

PS. When you think about it in historical terms, this isn't a new phenomenon. Rail transportation reached its limits as a passenger service about 100 years ago. Air transport hasn't changed much since Boeing 707 went up in the air. Automobiles are at a level where a racing/supercar performance can be had for an average annual wage (in the US). At least, giant sea ships have become profitable floating buffets.
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Well... For domestic US flights, from a customer perspective it has. It's way worse, now. They're flying Greyhound buses with seats the are literally less comfortable than park benches. I don't understand how you can call something a "seat cushion", when it's anything but...
 
Run&Gun said:
Well... For domestic US flights, from a customer perspective it has. It's way worse, now. They're flying Greyhound buses with seats the are literally less comfortable than park benches. I don't understand how you can call something a "seat cushion", when it's anything but...
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Commoditization. Which is where the camera business is going.

And you can still fly private or business/1st class. That's your ARRI Alexa65.
 
DLD said:
Commoditization. Which is where the camera business is going.

And you can still fly private or business/1st class. That's your ARRI Alexa65.
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Commodtization: No more than it has been the last few decades. They're just trying to maximize profits at the expense of the comfort of their customers.

Fly private: Once every few years, I'll have a shoot where that happens. Otherwise, good one... You should take that act on the road.

Business/1st: What airline flying domestic routes within the US has business class? Usually business class is just available on international routes. When I'm paying for my own travel I fly first, because it's not that much more than coach(sometimes only $100). But when I'm flying for clients and they book it, most do not book first as a matter of policy(even though it can be less expensive when you factor in multiple checked bags/cases), UNESS that is the only seat available and that person has to be on that flight.
 
DLD said:
PS. When you think about it in historical terms, this isn't a new phenomenon. Rail transportation reached its limits as a passenger service about 100 years ago. Air transport hasn't changed much since Boeing 707 went up in the air. Automobiles are at a level where a racing/supercar performance can be had for an average annual wage (in the US). At least, giant sea ships have become profitable floating buffets.
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This is a fascinating way to look at the camera industry. And, I think you're right on the money. The major technological hurdles have already been overcome, at this point they are just tweaking colors, functionality, etc.
 
4K/60p is a technical hurdle that still needs work/time...not there yet. It's of course available but limited in various ways (small sensor, mediocre specs, high price).

When you can get a full-frame 10-bit 4K/60p machine for a couple of thousand that's my official end.

But maybe people in 5 years will say that about full-frame 10-bit 8K/60p.
 
Run&Gun said:
... Business/1st: What airline flying domestic routes within the US has business class? Usually business class is just available on international routes. When I'm paying for my own travel I fly first, because it's not that much more than coach(sometimes only $100). But when I'm flying for clients and they book it, most do not book first as a matter of policy(even though it can be less expensive when you factor in multiple checked bags/cases), UNESS that is the only seat available and that person has to be on that flight.
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But that's because you're more than happy to join the flying bus crowd. The ability to make better arrangements is there. With a free glass of wine too.

NorBro said:
4K/60p is a technical hurdle that still needs work/time...not there yet. It's of course available but limited in various ways (small sensor, mediocre specs, high price).

When you can get a full-frame 10-bit 4K/60p machine for a couple of thousand that's my official end...
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S1H promises to have that internally (or 6K at 24p).

8K 24p will naturally be here by Christmas.
 
The S1H will have 10-bit 60p but it won't be full-frame.

All eyes still on Sony being the first. (In a stills camera.)
 
DLD said:
But that's because you're more than happy to join the flying bus crowd. The ability to make better arrangements is there. With a free glass of wine too.
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I am? Necessary evil and "more than happy to..." are not the same thing. If I never had to fly again, at least domestic commercial coach, I'd be ecstatic. But it's a necessary and practical evil doing this for a living.
 
NorBro said:
The S1H will have 10-bit 60p but it won't be full-frame.

All eyes still on Sony being the first. (In a stills camera.)
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From Matt Allard -
... I also attempted to find out whether the 4K 60p 10-bit 4:2:2 internal recording was using an APS-C crop, and I was told that is yet to be determined.
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https://www.newsshooter.com/2019/06/01/panasonic-s1h-full-frame-mirrorless-6k-24p/

Technically speaking, they could pixel bin a la A7RII/III. Or they could crop. Or mix and match.

Run&Gun said:
I am? Necessary evil and "more than happy to..." are not the same thing. If I never had to fly again, at least domestic commercial coach, I'd be ecstatic. But it's a necessary and practical evil doing this for a living.
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It beats driving a minivan.
 
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