Doug Jensen
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If I am ever asked to work with film, I'll keep that in mind. Personally, I work in television/video and the way I described it is the "norm", and always has been since high frame rates became available.
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If I am ever asked to work with film, I'll keep that in mind. Personally, I work in television/video and the way I described it is the "norm", and always has been since high frame rates became available.
NorBro
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It's also okay to simply not like the 24p framerate.
Hardcore gamers, for instance, are extremely sensitive to low framerates and some will not entertain titles with anything less than non-dropping 60fps.
NorBro
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It's only the norm in your world, which is perfectly fine.
NorBro
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Actually was surprised to see Sony using the over/under terminology, which I don't think I've seen for any of the new cameras (replaced with simpler S&Q references), but they once did for the F5 and F55:
https://pro.sony/ue_US/products/digi...cameras/pmw-f5
https://pro.sony/ue_US/products/digi...cameras/pmw-f5
Doug Jensen
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Still shooting on film, are you?
Doug Jensen
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Sony has been using that terminology for well over 10 years, as have I in all my training videos and field guides. But that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
In television/video production:
Correct: 23.98p captured at 60 fps
Incorrect : 60p @ 23.98p (this would actually indicate fast-mo, not slow-mo)
Ouch, there is so much panning with theatrical plays that I would not shoot it at less than 30p and preferably 60p.
NorBro
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ha, I wish...actually your career in the business started before I was even born, maybe I should listen to you.
NorBro
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We'll just have to agree to disagree because this sounds so wrong to me. lol
You are producing a 23.98p file and you say 23.98p "@" 60fps? That makes no sense. What if it's mixed footage? 48p and 60p?
Which year did the @ symbol make it into these descriptions?
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Why not use the words that people 40-50-60 years before us created (and that you say you use in your material).
When you add mixed footage into a NLE, you don't add 60fps @ a 24p timeline. You put 60p over a 24p timeline, 48p over a 24p timeline (to slow it down, if that's the intent).
NorBro
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Screenshot of specs in NLE?
See screen capture in explorer. So in the NLE (Premiere Pro) it looks fine edge to edge and in sequence settings it shows it as 1920x1080.
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NorBro
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What does Premiere say about the footage/clip? (not the sequence)
Each clip should have its own specs. Does it say 1920x1080?
The specs above are from VLC, what's QT say about the exported file?
[With the amount of software and hardware that's been created in the world, including different standards, sometimes things don't communicate properly, or interpret one another accurately.]
Each clip should have its own specs. Does it say 1920x1080?
The specs above are from VLC, what's QT say about the exported file?
[With the amount of software and hardware that's been created in the world, including different standards, sometimes things don't communicate properly, or interpret one another accurately.]
It's 1080, see clip properties in premiere below.
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Doug Jensen
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When you shoot with the camera set for a 24p recording format, but you capture the shot @ 60 fps (or 120 fps or whatever frame rate you want), the clip is still a 24p clip. When you bring that clip into your NLE it is just a 24p clip, and the NLE has no idea, nor does it need to know, what frame rate was used to capture it. The clip is just a 24p clip. No processing needs to be done to the clip because it is already slowed down when it was shot:
"24p captured @ 60 fps" = 2.5x slow motion
"24p captured @ 120 fps" = 5x slow motion
So, the phrase "23.98p captured @ 60 fps" just means you have a 24p clip that was recorded with a frame rate of 60 fps. Thus, it is 2.5x slow-motion, but it is still just a 24p clip when you put it on the timeline.
I just put the clip on new windows 11 laptop that does not have VLC and it shows as 1072 in explorer. Tried it on a second desktop without VLC and it shows as 1072.
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Doug Jensen
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That is my point. The lingo matters.
You said . . .
No. There is no such thing as "60p @ 23.98p" Both numbers can't have a "p" in them. The "p" indicates that the preceding number refers to a progressive record/playback format, so you can't have a 60p format that was captured @ 23.98p. But you can have a 24p clip that was captured @ 60 fps. Note: "fps" not "p".
It seems like I'm splitting hairs, but I had it correct in my first post and your "correction" of my post is wrong. Its not a matter of agreeing to disagree. One is right and one is not.
Not sure why windows is showing 1072 but just connected the camera to the Blackmagic HD switcher and it was fine. One thing I really like about this release is that now I can get a simultaneous feed from both HDMI and SDI in 1080p.