HMC150 questions answered...

All 150 clips from Barry and videomaker have AC3 48000Hz stereo 384Kbps audio. I think it is safe to say that this is standard unless the low bitrates bring this down. (The low bitrates are completely uninteresting since they are limited to 1080i, would have been more usefull with 720p). Stereo AC3 is usually limited to 384 in this application. Higher bitrates are typically used for 5.1. Of course PCM would be nice, but you have to remember its leaving more room for video bandwidth and the differences are almost indistinguishable at 384k. If your ears can actually tell the difference, then you should be smart enough to know that you also aren't getting the best preamps in the world on a camera and can do better externally.

Thanks for all the work so far Barry. Is it true that this camera is crippled by the HVX200's characteristic to only playback clips in the resolution/mode of the current mode (as in, cannot play back 720 files in 1080). If so, is it specific to resolution, frame rate or both? I found this odd considering Pana fixed it in the other camera, but was a reported issue on the videomaker review. If so, any chance it could be a firmware feature to be fixed before/after release?

Similarly, is the HDMI output fixed to a certain resolution/frame rate, can it be changed independently of content, or does it follow the current clip (or current camera mode)? If capable of both resolutions, does it output in all available modes (1080 60i/30p/24p, 720 60p/30p/24p) or does it stick to 60 and add pullup on slower framerates? I'm going to guess it sticks with 60 since since it has more compatability and most TVs and capture cards still don't pull in 24p, rather recreate it after injestion.

I'm going to miss 1/6th shutter on the DVX, was curious to why that went away since HVX (before the frame rate hack). I guess that is a task best for a still camera, but I would hope that cameras in this class eventually allow for multiple frame rates encoded in the standard codecs at different speeds (or at least the shutter speeds for post work).
 
I tried Vegas Pro 8.0b (217) with Vista 32 and XP pro. Both crashed on the mts files. I get an exception in an mt2s.dll

Cranky, what other NLEs do you have installed? I'm wondering if vegas is using a different dll.
 
kurtmo said:
I tried Vegas Pro 8.0b (217) with Vista 32 and XP pro. Both crashed on the mts files. I get an exception in an mt2s.dll Cranky, what other NLEs do you have installed? I'm wondering if vegas is using a different dll.
Gee, I wanted to reinstall my system, now it seems I have to stick with it :) Before I list each and every player and codec I have, try this:

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?Forum=4&MessageID=602979
If you would like to help test the pre-release HDV reader for Vegas Pro 8, please follow these exact steps:

1) Download the file "M2tsplug.zip" from this ftp site: ftp://md-ftp.sonycreativesoftware.com
username: scsdev
password: oh7e2McT
2) unzip
3) copy the file m2tsplug.dll into (default path) C:\Program Files\Sony\Vegas Pro 8.0\FileIO Plug-Ins\m2tsplug (save the old file just in case).
4) Restart Vegas> Load up any HDV files or HDV projects you have been having trouble with.
5) Please post your results back to this thread. Don't start another thread.
6) If you run into problems, please post details to
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?Forum=4

I have this beta file on my system.

From the Sony Vegas thread:
Joe Balsamo/LVX said:
Date: 7/26/2008 9:51:31 AM

Without the beta .dll, Vegas will not even recognize the AVCHD files from the Panasonic HDC-SD9. In fact, if auto preview is checked, click on one of these files will CRASH Vegas with the shipping .dll. With the beta .dll, it works nearly flawlessly.

OTOH, with the beta .dll, Vegas will let you do anything with the Canon HF10 files, but the problem is that rendered results look awful. With the original, shipping .dll, they are nearly flawless.
 
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Barry,

Thank you for all the work and the posting of the files. If possible, I'd like to see 720/30p footage and low light footage (720, +6dB Gain).


Best Wishes,

Bob Diaz
 
Vegas still seems to have problems with the 60p footage I tried. Still, at least there seems to be some hope.
 
Thanks for not keeping this little nugget to yourself! I got Sony Vegas 8.0b on Vista opening and editing MTS files now too!!!!!

I will try on XP next.

Perhaps this "fix" is a beta on Vegas Pro 8 but is supported in Vegas 9 Movie Sutdio Platinum

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Wow. More informative than the HMC150 material in this thread is the discovery that SO MANY PEOPLE are using Sony Vegas. Wow! Just when I thought FCP was taking over the whole world of NLE's :o)
 
Wow. More informative than the HMC150 material in this thread is the discovery that SO MANY PEOPLE are using Sony Vegas. Wow! Just when I thought FCP was taking over the whole world of NLE's :o)

This thread is hardly representative of NLE penetration.
 
I found this dont mind the PooTube quality

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRWOyhAGoR0

still waiting on vimeo footage since I wont be able to test until sunday! If I ahave a
Old Dual core 2.0ghz with 4GB Ram PowerPC mac with FCP 6.0.1 I should be all good for log and capture from what I have read right? or do I need that AVC-Intra plug-in for FCP like someone else brought up worked for them? worst case senario I I pay for Voltaic converter....

VIMEO PLEASE!!!!!!
 
That video is total crap. I saw it the day it posted and felt violated for losing 7 minutes of my life watching it. It doesn't tell us anything about what kind of footage we can expect from an HMC150. :angry:

And you watched the whole seven minutes? :)

Reminds of the line in Annie Hall:

"Not only was the food bad, but the portions were small."
 
Is it true that this camera is crippled
Crippled?

by the HVX200's characteristic to only playback clips in the resolution/mode of the current mode (as in, cannot play back 720 files in 1080). If so, is it specific to resolution, frame rate or both?
It is similar to on the HVX200. You can play back in one of four modes: 1080(30p or 60i), 1080/24p, 720 (30p or 60p) and 720/24p. You have to choose one of those modes, and then the clips will become playable.

It's better than the 200 in that you can just pop up the menu and change the playback mode right then and there. On the 200 you used to have to swap back to camera mode, which was tedious. On the 170 you can change in the playback menu, or you can just hold the joystick down. On the 150 you have to change in the menu.

Overall, even though the features and menus are largely similar, the 150 is easier to operate in many ways for a new user because it has graphical descriptions of what each button will do before you have to press it, which is nice.

If so, any chance it could be a firmware feature to be fixed before/after release?
I wouldn't count on it. We only saw two firmware updates ever on the HVX200, one to add Type 2 metadata and the other to update for 16GB card compatibility. Don't expect a whole bunch of features added with firmware updates.

Besides, it is a minor inconvenience at worst. It's infinitely better than it was on the 200 because you can change the menu right then and there in the playback mode without having to swap back to camera mode.

Similarly, is the HDMI output fixed to a certain resolution/frame rate, can it be changed independently of content, or does it follow the current clip (or current camera mode)?
You can cross-convert from 720 to 1080, or downconvert to 480.

I'm going to guess it sticks with 60 since since it has more compatability and most TVs and capture cards still don't pull in 24p, rather recreate it after injestion.
Yep.
 
Barry,

Thank you for all the work and the posting of the files. If possible, I'd like to see 720/30p footage and low light footage (720, +6dB Gain).


Best Wishes,

Bob Diaz
Low light, as in "can you make sucky footage in too-dark conditions"? That kind of goes against everything I stand for. :) But the next footage I post will have proper exposure and tons of black/dark areas... no gain though, I'm an anti-gain fanatic...
 
I have some questions: first how adobe premiere work with the new AVCHD? have you heard about it? it is fully compatible?

I shoot with the AG-HVX200p some footage and when I check on the FCP preview appears some noise on brown color, what can I do to disappear that noise?
 
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