HPX170 First Look

Cees Mutsaers said:
Barry, are you sure that the 170 as the 200A is a half stop faster than the 200 since the glass of the 170 is smaller (72 mm vs 82 mm of the 200A) ???
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They're faster because the cameras are more sensitive to light not because the lenses open up to a wider aperture. The HVX200 had an ISO rating of about 320, Barry has reported the hvx200a and hpx170 to have iso ratings of about 500 which is around a half stop faster.

davide
 
Even barry did not see any footage of the 170 so it is just speculation and trust to what the panasonic people say. We have to see them side by side to be sure.

davide said:
They're faster because the cameras are more sensitive to light not because the lenses open up to a wider aperture. The HVX200 had an ISO rating of about 320, Barry has reported the hvx200a and hpx170 to have iso ratings of about 500 which is around a half stop faster.

davide
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Goodbye, 50 ISO with the P+S Technik and Super Speeds... hello 100 ISO.

I'm quite excited by the announcement of both the HVX-200A and the HPX-170... moreso about the 170, though...
 
P+S is so old hat. 200A is a really nice, I love it so much more than the 200 and it's a blast having so much light in conjunction with the Letus Ultimate. 200A is wicked and the 170 is gonna be great with all the nice extras.

I'm definitely trading the 200A for the 170 when it drops!
 
Hi,

Any news about the lcd screen ? I really don't undestand why Panasonic didn't change the lcd on the hvx200A.

I'm interesting with the hpx170 but if the lcd screen is the same than the hpx200, i will probably change my hvx200 for a sony ex1, it's so nice to focus with a great lcd or to use the SxS card directly on the macbookpro.
 
Duol said:
Hi,

Any news about the lcd screen ? I really don't undestand why Panasonic didn't change the lcd on the hvx200A.

I'm interesting with the hpx170 but if the lcd screen is the same than the hpx200, i will probably change my hvx200 for a sony ex1, it's so nice to focus with a great lcd or to use the SxS card directly on the macbookpro.
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The LCD screen is the same as before and the reason that we didn't change it is there isnt a reasonable replacement that is also sufficient for the Thumbnail screen. And on the HPX170 there are 3 focus assist tools.

And as far as using the EX1, you will spend a lot more money to have a camera that when given certain light sources that have a certain amount of infra red will cause your black to be brown, that will have the rolling shutter artifacts and offer you a long GOP recording at 4:2:0 but you are right the screen is easy to focus. Oddly enough I hit the LCD screen on my leg within a couple of hours of owning it and it occasionally flips out on me. Since I don't use the camera to make money I haven't thought of sending it in for warranty repair. And the paint is starting to rub off on my EX1 just like it seems to be rubbing off on some of the other guys cameras.

Wait till you see the HPX170, and try it out. I think you will find that it is a very nicely balanced package that will be a full 2 lbs lighter than the EX1 and have a real Solid State workflow, from camera operation all the way through the metadata.

Best,

Jan
 
Jan_Crittenden said:
Oddly enough I hit the LCD screen on my leg within a couple of hours of owning it and it occasionally flips out on me.
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Are you sure you didn't give it a drop kick or something like that? :)

I don't know if you have kids, but either way, Happy Mother's Day, Jan! And thanks for keeping us informed.
 
Hello Jan,

Yes, 3 focus assist tools is very cool but for me not replace a good lcd or a good viewfinder, i use the focus assist of the hpx500 and i don't like it.

And Autofocus on the hvx200 is also very slow !

The sony ex1, the sony Z7, the canon XH-A1 have a good lcd why not the hpx170 ?

The P in hpx170 is for professional, no ?

I think many users are ready to pay a lot more for a camera that you can focus easily, focus directly with their eyes and not with gadgets, for me it's a waste of time.

I know the limitation of hdv and I like dvcpro HD but for me a good lcd or viewfinder is very more important than the weight, the frame rate button, the lcd flip...

But yes, probably, it would cost more to change the lcd for Panasonic, it's probably a question of marketting !

I just know that i will not pay for a hpx170 if the quality of the lcd or the viewfinder isn't enought good and i'm not alone in this case.
 
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Jan_Crittenden said:
The LCD screen is the same as before and the reason that we didn't change it is there isnt a reasonable replacement that is also sufficient for the Thumbnail screen.
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Sorry, but that´s hard to understand, maybe you can tell us more about the actual technical difficulties involved?
I´d gladly pay 750€ more for the cam if that would save me the hassle of hanging a 7" LCD connected via that piece of shi* analog component cable for monitoring HD.
 
Duol; said:
Yes, 3 focus assist tools is very cool but for me not replace a good lcd or a good viewfinder, i use the focus assist of the hpx500 and i don't like it
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There are two others on the HPX170 that can be used in combination


And Autofocus on the hvx200 is also very slow !
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In 24P it is slow. as it samples at the rate of the frame rate. It is just like the DVX100B in this regard.

The sony ex1, the sony Z7, the canon XH-A1 have a good lcd why not the hpx170 ?
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Because they have no need for a 4X3 display and P2 does.


The P in hpx170 is for professional, no ?
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No, nice gues, it stand for the fact that it is a P2 only camera.

I think many users are ready to pay a lot more for a camera that you can focus easily, focus directly with their eyes and not with gadgets, for me it's a waste of time.
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Actually I fully believe you can focus the HVX200 with its focusing tools and it is not a guess there either.

I know the limitation of hdv and I like dvcpro HD but for me a good lcd or viewfinder is very more important than the weight, the frame rate button, the lcd flip...
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Then it looks like you will be dealing with the CMOS situation.

But yes, probably, it would cost more to change the lcd for Panasonic, it's probably a question of marketting !
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Actually the change would require the entire P2 portion of the cameras to be re-engineered. It is not marketing it is engineering.

I just know that i will not pay for a hpx170 if the quality of the lcd or the viewfinder isn't enought good and i'm not alone in this case.
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And so again, it isn't going to change and so you will need to ready yourself for a completely different experience that shooting with DVCPRO HD and a CCD.

Best regards,

Jan
 
50Hz- 60Hz

50Hz- 60Hz

Jan,

I understand the HPX170 is going to be released as a 50Hz or 60Hz camera and not provide the ability to do both on the one camera model.

Can you please pass on to Japan what an incredibly stupid decision this is.

If the HPX170 is part of the HPX family it should include the ability to switch, like the other cameras within the product group -HPX500, 2000 and 3000.

Very disappointing.
 
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Very disappointing indeed. Vote in the poll to show Japan how you feel about this issue, and nag Panasonic NZ to voice the same complaints on your behalf.
 
Barry_Green said:
Very disappointing indeed. Vote in the poll to show Japan how you feel about this issue, and nag Panasonic NZ to voice the same complaints on your behalf.
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Has this been confirmed? last i heard they were still on the fence about it..

aghhh. :Drogar-Mark-01(DBG)
 
HPX170 CCD sensor centered relative to lens?

HPX170 CCD sensor centered relative to lens?

Hi Jan,

I was wondering if you knew: will the CCD sensor block of the HPX170 be perfectly centered relative to the lens?

On the HVX200, the sensor block was slightly off-center, which created an issue when mounting a 35mm adapter to the camera... when zooming in to the adapter ground glass image, the image ended up off center.

This is because the sensor block of the HVX is slightly off center in relation to the lens and filter threads.

Do you know if this issue be addressed in the new HPX170?

Thanks, Jan.
 
Rocketeer said:
Do the DVX poll and email Panasonic NZ with your view.
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Already voted, and have spoken to pete about it when he first got back from NAB, might give him a follow up email.

Oh Scott, sold that 17" yet? i managed to finally get hold of pete after i was in speaking to you about card rental and the fact your selling your 1700 last Tuesday. Bought the 2 16 gig cards and am all good now.
 
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