Advice for when apply for a job, any job

Charli

Charli

cool little "title"
As most of you know, I work as an operations manager at a beach front hotel
in Santa Cruz. We get a ton of students who apply here each year, and most
recently, just got an application from an upcoming film student. What mistake
did he make? He came to apply in jeans and t-shirt (I didn't see him).

When you apply for a job to support you as you are in school (high school or
college) there are a few things you need to consider. Whey you apply to a
fast food restaurant, no one gives a wha-hoo what you wear, how you look, you
are just another body to them. When however you apply for a desk job, clerk
position, a business atmosphere, please do not treat it the same.

When you go to fill out an application, put on a decent shirt, decent pants (and
no, I do not mean jeans and t-shirt), be shaven, crisp ready to go. I gave a guy
a second interview (my hubby thought he was too geeky) simply because he
wore dress pants and a dress shirt to interview. He was ready to be "seen."

Also, have questions prepared for the job to make your employer think you
are interested in that industry. I rarely will hire anyone who doesn't have a
single question to ask me about the hotel industry other than, "what does it
pay."

You can either spend your entire high school/college time working at Starbucks,
or you can come work in a business atmosphere, that's on you, but don't even
think of coming to apply unprepared. You won't be given a second look.

I'll call this filmmaker in for an interview, but if he doesn't dress for the
interview, forget it. My thought is that he couldn't take the time nor effort to
look decent before, he would put in that same lack of effort in his job.

Get with it students. If you need coaching on how to interview for a job,
any job, shoot me a pm. I tire of students being so unprepared for the
real world.
 
I don't know about students, maybe they are young and have their own revolution going on which reflects in their dressing code.

I agree 50% with proper dressing, but your post gives the illusion that you will hire someone only if he is dressed properly.

If I had someone come in and impressed me, I would hire him even if he had only his underwear!
 
Steve - what I am saying is that the person dressed best gets a second look.
If you don't even bother to dress properly for an interview, best foot forward
as put by Brice, you're not even "considered."

It's all about "effort" and I have found many students put forth a minimal
effort and then complain about that pizza job they're stuck at, uh, hello.

The job here allows students to study during the offseason, meaning, I pay
you $9 an hour to study about 6 hours out of an 8 hour shift. This a GREAT
job for a student.

Because this is such a great perk, I'm going to hire people who put their best
effort up to the fore. That kid I gave a second look to, he comes to work 15 minutes
early each day, is always dressed in a dress shirt and nice pants (though he
knows it's a casual office) and is ready to be "seen" by the general public.
He has little customer service skills but has a williness to do the job right and
to learn (and has the capacity to do so).

There are so many UCSC students who come through these doors, including
this young filmmaker, who take on such a laid-back attitude, sorry, that
doesn't work in an office enivornment.

What I am saying is look your best, not your casual self, and give yourself
a chance to even be considered.

Gah!
 
Let's review:

Charli says "no" to the following looks...
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LOL - for you, babe, you can wear either shirt, I'll still find it sexy- ha ha, too early
to laugh so much...
 
I walked into an interview naked once and well......Vivid entertainment called back. :)



anyway charli, you shouldn't even bother calling this kid back. If he didn't take the time to wear proper attire then you shouldn't bother calling. Let him learn.
:nads:


ps: I was kidding about the Vivid thing.
 
blue - lol, I'm going to call them all since I "personally" didn't see them. Give
a chance to sink or swim.
 
Santa Cruz. Cool.
I shot a film with Vincent Price on the Giant Dipper roller coaster on your boardwalk (part of the history behind my DXVuser name).
Great place to live! Sorry I don't.
Great point about dressing to impress.
'If ya don't care, don't bother.' (Applies to most of Life.)
 
I have a serious question Charli. I am not trying to be a smartass, I just think this deserves some thought.
With this thread you explain to some people out there that it is important to follow certain rules in order to succeed. So I am assuming that there are other fountains of knowledge (like say a school billboard in the cafeteria) that condense this information and make it a ten point lesson or whatever and give kids these same rules. I'm just saying theres gotta be whole books, posters and meetings on teaching kids this.
So now, whats to keep a "smartass" from impressing you with his knowledge and then becoming a complete idiot?
Example: I have a friend who has rich parents, he is an inteligent guy who likes to live off his parents money. They get tired of his lazy ass and make him get a job.
He applies at marriot and pushes the buttons he knows management want to hear.
Not so long ago I heard that mariot has a restraining order on him. He's a nice guy, but hates to work and i guess pissed somebody off with his smartalekyness.

So I guess my question is, in order to give the job to the better man/woman wouldnt it be better if this information didnt excist anywhere, so each individuals morals and principles and common sense were what drives him/her to get the job? I just think it would be a better way to weed out the serious from the clowns.

Hopefully no one takes this the wrong way, I dont meant to be a prick, i just think its a valid point.
 
I got a job as a federal employee at age 16, I still have that job (I'm 19 now) and I wore a nice shirt and pants to the interview. Standard attire at work is now jeans or shorts (depending on season) and a t-shirt that they give to you. Alot of the work I do I get pretty dirty, so there is no sense wearing something nice. BUT, had I not dressed well for the interview I would not have gotten the job. It doesn't take much effort to put on a nice pair of pants and shirt (granted you own them) so I figure it's also a sign of respect to the person that could potentially pay your bills......
 
Hiring (properly) is one of the most difficult tasks. Some of the best advice I've seen on the subject comes down to four words: "Hire slow, fire quick."
 
PDX_DVX said:
I got a job as a federal employee at age 16, I still have that job (I'm 19 now) and I wore a nice shirt and pants to the interview. Standard attire at work is now jeans or shorts (depending on season) and a t-shirt that they give to you. Alot of the work I do I get pretty dirty, so there is no sense wearing something nice. BUT, had I not dressed well for the interview I would not have gotten the job. It doesn't take much effort to put on a nice pair of pants and shirt (granted you own them) so I figure it's also a sign of respect to the person that could potentially pay your bills......
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And this is what i'm trying to figure out, did you wear it because you wanted to PDX ?or did you hear about it and figured it made sense to wear those clothes?

I'm looking for someone to say "my mother made me put the shirt and tie on and i hated the job every day i was there"... call me freudian, thats cool.
 
Well the only thing I'd like to throw in is when the interviewer asks :

"Any Questions?"

Respond:

"Do you feel that I am the Ideal candidate for this position, if not what are your current concerns as of now?"

Logically you are loading the question into a binary response, either they say you are the ideal candidate (you've hired) OR you not ideal BUT then they are *FORCED* to give a reason as to why you are not ideal and since they give you the reason you can then address that concern thus removing the very reason as to why you are not suitable therefore making you suitable.

my 0.2 euros

Anhar
 
Anhar Miah said:
Well the only thing I'd like to throw in is when the interviewer asks :

"Any Questions?"

Respond:

"Do you feel that I am the Ideal candidate for this position, if not what are your current concerns as of now?"

Logically you are loading the question into a binary response, either they say you are the ideal candidate (you've hired) OR you not ideal BUT then they are *FORCED* to give a reason as to why you are not ideal and since they give you the reason you can then address that concern thus removing the very reason as to why you are not suitable therefore making you suitable.

my 0.2 euros

Anhar
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I love reading your post because they are always so analytical
 
Glimmer - I had a guy once come to apply, wore a wrinkled t-shirt and
jeans with a visor on his head. I accepted his application, gave him a perfunctory
interview and called it a day. He returned twice to ask how things were
going with the job. On that last visit I told him I wasn't going to hire him.
He stated he wouldn't let me down.

I told him he let me down the moment he walked into this office dressed with
a visor on his head and he quickly removed it, too late though, for me. He learned
a painful lesson that day, a little too late, but NO ONE told him to dress otherwise.

I can hired a well dressed fella and he not work out (that has yet to happen)
but I will never hired someone who doesn't make the effort.

I've had people come in sweat pants, torn jeans (not the fashionable kind),
tight tanks in which breast are fallen out (don't drool fellas), ripped clothing,
ratty hair, greased hair, coffee cups glued to hand, body smells like day old
laundry, etc. etc.

And these are college students. Our future. I've instructed my son in how to
interview, how to ask questions, how to shake hands, how to sit to make a
good presentation. He's currently working with Sleep Train through his
college stint, very flexible with his class schedule and in their new store.

What I am saying is what Brice stated: Put your best foot forward, even in
the smallest of jobs, ESPECIALLY when you are a student, for it will follow
you in all of life.

Usually when a person makes it at this job, they stick around for an average
of two years.
 
Well hmmmmmmm I have hired and fired in the thousands. Not many got past me. Mostly indirectly .. as in signed them off. But I have always employed a behavioural interviewing process which is pretty much industry standard and most people were MBA candidates with experience or had completed. Not much slips past a good behavioural process.

Charli if you would like more info via Pm feel free... I can offer a great deal off experience in this process. Also there is an old saying "good judge of character" I have full knowledge of the science of it and can pretty much tell what peoples personality type is in simple conversation.
 
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