HPX170 First Look

It looks like Pany is advertising a switchable NTSC/PAL HPX-170 in their insert add in this months Studio Monthly.

Think this will make it through to delivery?

(isn't that called false advertising if it does not wind up in production?)
 
FatDaddy said:
It looks like Pany is advertising a switchable NTSC/PAL HPX-170 in their insert add in this months Studio Monthly.

Think this will make it through to delivery?

(isn't that called false advertising if it does not wind up in production?)
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It sounds more promising than a 'HPX-172'
 
I've only owned the DVX100B so I don't know if this was addressed or not in later cameras like the HVX (I think the original DVX had this too), but is there anyway we can get some 16x9 and 4x3 action safe margins for broadcast put onto the LCD or something? I know you can buy some to stick on, but it seems like something that should be on any professional camera. Even if it's just little corner marks or something.

Would help out a lot in shoots going straight to television (again, don't know if it was put on the later cameras or not)!

:D
 
FatDaddy said:
It looks like Pany is advertising a switchable NTSC/PAL HPX-170 in their insert add in this months Studio Monthly.

Think this will make it through to delivery?

(isn't that called false advertising if it does not wind up in production?)
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Yea i read this on another forum, weird that they are advertising it without officially announcing it.

I emailed Panasonic NZ, who said they would forward my email on to panasonic japan.

So come on everybody, email panasonic broadcast in your country and tell them what we want!
 
I've only owned the DVX100B so I don't know if this was addressed or not in later cameras like the HVX (I think the original DVX had this too), but is there anyway we can get some 16x9 and 4x3 action safe margins for broadcast put onto the LCD or something? I know you can buy some to stick on, but it seems like something that should be on any professional camera. Even if it's just little corner marks or something.
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Yes, there is safe margins available on the HVX.

And yes, the original DVX was already at the right size on the LCD. It is what I use and I was surprised to learn that the 100b underscan display didn't have a safe zone.
 
Jan_Crittenden said:
And so again, it isn't going to change and so you will need to ready yourself for a completely different experience that shooting with DVCPRO HD and a CCD.

Best regards,

Jan
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Thanks for your answer Jan.

It is very disappointing that Panasonic doesn't really listen to his customers.

Ok, the EX1 use a CMOS and HDV but offers so new great features : 1/2" and full HD chip, Great LCD, cheap card that you could use directly in the slot of the macbook pro, PAL & NTSC, real iris ring...

I like the hvx200 but it is far from being completed : grain, not enought sensitive, bad lcd, audio levels behind the camera, weak resolution of the chip, very expensive P2 card...

It's so sad that Panasonic doesn't want to improve more than that his camera.

I understand that he doesn't want to make it for the hvx200a but for a new camera as hpx170 it is really pity. :cry:
 
Duol Panansonic pretty much listened to the customers and included most features everyone was asking for in the 170 and from what ive seen the 200a is a great improvement over the 200.
 
Duol said:
It is very disappointing that Panasonic doesn't really listen to his customers.
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Agh,, posts like these are painful.

Duol said:
Ok, the EX1 use a CMOS and HDV but offers so new great features : 1/2" and full HD chip, Great LCD, cheap card that you could use directly in the slot of the macbook pro, PAL & NTSC, real iris ring...
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Where to start, Panasonic has listened, and has implemented to many features in the HPX170 that their customers have asked for, its crazy how much they've actually listened to us.

Regards to the LCD, Jan has already explained that it would require Panasonic to rebuild the Thumbnail menu system that is currently universal on all of Panasonic's P2 line up. It would be a bit of work to make it 16x9 and to them wouldnt make a lot of sense as it would only really be added to their bottom end cameras. Cameras like the 2000 and 3000 along with the 2 new varicams would never need it as they are usually always being used with an external broadcast monitor.

"Cheap Cards" - Well last time i checked.. P2 cards cost the same as SxS cards and you still cant use your regular old express cards in either of the EX range.

Yes they can fit in macbook pros, but p2 cards can still fit in a hell of a lot of the new PC's and almost all old PCs and Macs.

Pal/NTSC - currently hopefully being addressed..

Real Iris ring - yup, the ex1's iris ring is nice.. however have you felt the zoom or focus? They may have fixed stops but they feel nothing like a broadcast lens. The HVX lens feels far better to me coming from a broadcast background - even if it doesnt have fixed stops on the focus.

Duol said:
I like the hvx200 but it is far from being completed : grain, not enought sensitive, bad lcd, audio levels behind the camera, weak resolution of the chip, very expensive P2 card...
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Grain and Sensitivity have both been addressed in the HVX200A and the HPX170.

Bad Lcd - lets not go over this again.

Audio Pots behind the camera - Addressed with the HPX170

Weak Chip Res - Has been address in the HVX200a and 170

Expensive P2 cards - .. already been here.


Duol said:
It's so sad that Panasonic doesn't want to improve more than that his camera.

I understand that he doesn't want to make it for the hvx200a but for a new camera as hpx170 it is really pity. :cry:
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:violin:

The cameras have been improved - Even the 200a

Go read some of the rest of this thread and this forum in general and you'll see that the improvements are awesome and panasonic have done very well to address the issues their customers found with the HVX.
 
Jan,

Will we have 50/60 hz switchable ??? I know there is a poll here and it shows that we want to have that feature. I also know that you are personally fighting for it too.
 
Hi Jan,

I was wondering if you knew: will the CCD sensor block of the HPX170 be perfectly centered relative to the lens?

On the HVX200, the sensor block was slightly off-center, which created an issue when mounting a 35mm adapter to the camera... when zooming in to the adapter ground glass image, the image ended up off center.

This is because the sensor block of the HVX is slightly off center in relation to the lens and filter threads.

Do you know if this issue be addressed in the new HPX170?

Thanks, Jan.

I think I did that right with the quote thingy. Curranrowe has a good question that I am curious about also. Any answer?

(Great thread and great work from Barry and Jan.)
 
Will my old 8 gig p2s work in the HPX170? Will I have to re-format if I am using both the HVX200 and the HPX170 with the same P2 cards? Will I still be able to use the same workflow as I'm using with the HVX200 , meaning Raylight and Vegas?
 
So I'm a little lost on this thing. I mean, I'm saving for an HVX200A, but the 170 seems REALLY interesting with such advantages, but the thing is, I'm not exactly knowledgeable of these advantages.

-What does it mean better "smear resistance"?

-And with the LCD flip, does this mean I can get a 35mm adapter w/o having to spend a load of money for a a flip module?

-is it firm as Jan said that it will be coming out this September?
 
By the way, I am aware that the HVX200A uses the same DSP and chip as the 170. I just don't know what smear resistance is. I'm not stating that is an advantage over the HVX200A.
 
I have been looking around on the forums and still haven't found out if the 170 will be 1080p capable (not just 1080i). anyone?
 
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