Panasonic Announces New HPX-170

David S. said:
Does anybody know the skinny on availability initially? Remember how difficult it was to get the first HVX200s.
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True, but the HVX was a whole new beast from them.
Granted the body style was very similiar to the DVX - but the camera was a completely different piece of equipment
shooting an unprecedented amount of formats and framerates.

With the 170 I can't help but think that most of the 'heavy lifting' is already done.
Hopefully production and shipping will go much smoother this time around.
 
Luis Caffesse said:
True, but the HVX was a whole new beast from them.
Granted the body style was very similiar to the DVX - but the camera was a completely different piece of equipment
shooting an unprecedented amount of formats and framerates.

With the 170 I can't help but think that most of the 'heavy lifting' is already done.
Hopefully production and shipping will go much smoother this time around.
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I hope so... This camera looks great! I hope there are no problems with the first few batches though.
 
I really hope we see the 170 early Fall. That would be more than perfect. And I hope we get a price tag here soon so we can estimate the street price.
 
kecorcoran said:
I think that claim (which I saw as I quote from Jan in some other thread somewhere) was worded "1.1 million EFFECTIVE pixels"

I interpret the word "effective" here to mean that 1.1 million pixels is not the actual resolution of the CCDs, but instead is the number of valid pixels that can be obtained from them by factoring in the spatial offset (pixel shifting) between the three CCDs.

So I take this to mean no increase in res over the current HVX CCD.
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Did some math about it: DVXPRO HD is 1080x1280, right? So for example 900 x 1200 would be 1.080.000. Quite close to fill the codec. So resolution could increase. Maybe to 800 lines???
 
Luis Caffesse said:
True, but the HVX was a whole new beast from them.
Granted the body style was very similiar to the DVX - but the camera was a completely different piece of equipment
shooting an unprecedented amount of formats and framerates.

With the 170 I can't help but think that most of the 'heavy lifting' is already done.
Hopefully production and shipping will go much smoother this time around.
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Here's the other difference: when the 200 was announced at NAB, it was a block of wood. When the 170 was shown, it was shown in an already-working model. I think we'll see it come out much more quickly than the 200 did; I got some of the reps to say "September" as the delivery target. Now, what David's really asking (I think) is "will it be an initial pathetic little trickle of units, or are they going to actually satisfy demand?" No way to know.
 
Barry_Green said:
I didn't see any discernible resolution difference. What I did see was markedly less noise and better color reproduction.
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Just to clarify, you are comparing it the 200, NOT the 200A, correct? I know the word 'current' was in the post you reponded to, but I just want to make sure I understand you, since I am assuming that the CCDs in the 170 and the 200A will be the same.
 
Barry_Green said:
I didn't see any discernible resolution difference. What I did see was markedly less noise and better color reproduction.
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Just out of curiosity, what was the agreed upon max resolution that the HVX was able to get? Since the CCDs are similar, I'm going to assume that we'll get the same amount of resolution out of the HPX.

So what was the agreed upon resolution from the HVX?
 
Barry_Green said:
Now, what David's really asking (I think) is "will it be an initial pathetic little trickle of units, or are they going to actually satisfy demand?" No way to know.
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That be right, Barry.

It was a long time before any shipments came in volume.

Jan specifically mentioned September in a post over at the HVX200 threads earlier today.

I think our current HVX200 will be our B roll to the 170. It looks to meet our needs.

As I wrote to Jan there:

"Good job on the new features.

6 pin locking FW port -- two thumbs up
HD-SDI Out - two thumbs up
No tape mechanism - two thumbs up
Improved S/N - two thumbs up
Better sensors for low light - two thumbs up
Lighter weight - two thumbs up
Delete last clip - two thumbs up
More frame rates - two thumbs up

LCD - oh well."

How do I get on the beta testing short list?
 
Jim Brennan said:
Just to clarify, you are comparing it the 200, NOT the 200A, correct? I know the word 'current' was in the post you reponded to, but I just want to make sure I understand you, since I am assuming that the CCDs in the 170 and the 200A will be the same.
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I compared 200 to 200A. I also asked and was confirmed that the 150/170/200A chipsets are all the same.
 
Daygola814 said:
Just out of curiosity, what was the agreed upon max resolution that the HVX was able to get? Since the CCDs are similar, I'm going to assume that we'll get the same amount of resolution out of the HPX.

So what was the agreed upon resolution from the HVX?
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Well, to be nitpicky, there's not any such thing as "the HPX". We need to get in the habit of referring to these things by their model number, because there are at least six different "HPX" cameras. So let's call it the "170" for shorthand.

Agreed-upon resolution? Panasonic's white paper puts a chip count at 1400 x 810 (or so) effective resolution. My own chart testing shows aliasing sets in at about 540 lines; discernable res runs to about 730 lines but there's aliasing involved.
 
No. The HVX200A is the same as the HVX200, but the HPX170 uses a 72mm lens. It's smaller and lighter, with a wider focal length range (3.9mm-51mm, vs. the HVX's 4.2mm-55mm). Still a Leica Dicomar, everything looks basically very similar, probably the same basic design etc., but it is physically smaller.
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I GUESS most people will like the smaller design of the HPX 170 mainly because it is lighter weight and easier to handhold, but I absolutely love the design/look of my HVX. Its fatter & bigger and the coolest looking camera in my opinion, in its class. For some clients it is about image, and Im not referring to just the one the camera creates. You show up with a bigger camera they feel like they are getting more of thier money's worth verses having something small/dinky. The HPX just looks too much like the DVX so kinda makes me feel like its a step backwards. I would probably buy the HVX200a over the HPX 170 because it would go well with the 200 I already have. Yeah I know its about the image it produces and what you do with it that counts the most but smaller lens diameter and camera body just looks wimpy. I was just cuious if anybody else feels the same way or do most people feel happy to shed the fatboy design of the HVX???
 
All about losing the weight. A 170 will match up much better with may Steadicam Merlin/Vest combo. The 200 is really pushing the Merlin and there's no chance of adding a wireless mic, etc. I think you could pull that off with the 170. Have to say that from what I've seen the 200 looks a lot cooler than the 170. The 170 looks.... I dunno, like a cheap design. It is of course in beta and I'm only looking at photos posted here. We'll see.
 
I saw that video of the perss conference and I thought the 170 looked really cool. I agree some other photo's I saw of the 170 didn't look that good ( a bit grey housing, no oculair correction, maybe it was a very early version). I think the final 170 will look very good. Lets' pray they make it PAL/NTSC switchable after all and as a bonus put in a nice lcd to finish it off :-))))
 
Smaller is way gooder for me.

Scarlet is a little stuffed pig, filled with 3k goodness, but it aint fittin' in a pocket.

Picked up the 150 and feeled right nice...
 
What about the comparison between the latitude from the HVX200a/HPX170 and the EX-1. Obviously we won't know anything about the HPX170, but since it's using the same imaging system as the HVX200a, I guess it's safe to assume that it would be similar if not the same as the HVX200a.

So, what's the comparison like with the latitude?
 
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