Panasonic Announces New HPX-170

Yeah, AVC-Intra supports 1080p recording, so the higher models that have AVC-Intra then also support 1080p recording, as well as shooting.

- Mikko
 
Yup. DVCPRO is a ten year old codec, so I doubt they have plans to re-work it to allow for 1080/24pn.

That's where AVC Intra comes in, as said. The 170 doesn't seem like a "next generation" cam, but a pretty major update with some nice cool new features, etc, and fixes to annoyances.

I'd think that maybe the next generation handheld factor from Panny a couple few years down the line or something, might have AVC Intra... but, I don't think they are able to get that into a form factor this small yet. Complete speculation on my part.

Later,
Jason
 
Jason Ramsey said:
but, I don't think they are able to get that into a form factor this small yet. Complete speculation on my part.

Later,
Jason
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I'm a little confused by that. I don't know myself, but aren't the imagers completely separate from the hardware used to encode the image? So do you mean that the hardware is too large to fit into the form factor of a handheld cam? Or did I just completely misunderstand what you meant?

Thanks!
 
Yes. I believe I heard Jan say something to that effect. It's the hardware that's too big today. They aren't quite there yet. That's why I speculate that the true next generation of the handheld line from Panny may very well include AVC Intra instead of DVCPRO HD.

I could be completely wrong though. Plus, there is cost to consider. AVC Intra being pretty new will cost more, and they have R&D dollars and such to recoupe. DVCPRO HD is pretty old, so there isn't much in the way of added cost that has to be passed along to the consumer.

Later,
Jason
 
Wow... that's cool. Well, DVCPRO HD works for me. It's easy to edit and the quality is great so screw it. I'm sure the HPX will produce beautiful pictures. Can't wait to get my hands on one!
 
Jason Ramsey said:
Yes. I believe I heard Jan say something to that effect. It's the hardware that's too big today. They aren't quite there yet. That's why I speculate that the true next generation of the handheld line from Panny may very well include AVC Intra instead of DVCPRO HD.

I could be completely wrong though. Plus, there is cost to consider. AVC Intra being pretty new will cost more, and they have R&D dollars and such to recoupe. DVCPRO HD is pretty old, so there isn't much in the way of added cost that has to be passed along to the consumer.

Later,
Jason
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I don't see why not.
It'll be the same thing we saw happen with DVCProHD.
Start in the high end - then move it to the low end.
I can see them doing that with AVC-Intra, sure.
But it'll probably be a while.
 
Well heck, I'm not using tape anymore, and the HPX sounds like a real winner. I'm just going to have to trade in my HVX for the new HPX! Any reason (other than $$) why you wouldn't skip the 200A and go directly for the HPX?

cheers,

JP
 
Only if you needed tape still... I heard Barry mention to someone today, that the only other possible reason may be if the 200a has a little better lowlight performance due to the larger glass than the 170, but that is still unknown until someone can put both of them next to each other and test for it.

But, pretty much... if you still need the tape deck, then you might want the 200a. Otherwise, it's the 170 all the way.

Later,
JUason
 
Jason Ramsey said:
Only if you needed tape still... I heard Barry mention to someone today, that the only other possible reason may be if the 200a has a little better lowlight performance due to the larger glass than the 170, but that is still unknown until someone can put both of them next to each other and test for it.

But, pretty much... if you still need the tape deck, then you might want the 200a. Otherwise, it's the 170 all the way.

Later,
JUason
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anyone doing the test for both camera
 
HVX170 PAL/NTSC switchable?

HVX170 PAL/NTSC switchable?

Can someone who is going to NAB check whether the 20 frame rates advertised for the new HVX170 include standard PAL rates (ie 25p and 50i)? One of the big problems for film makers in PAL regions such as EU and Australasia interested in the HVX200 has been how much more expensive the PAL version of the camera is (ie 50% more!). Thanks heaps.
 
HVXmania said:
Can someone who is going to NAB check whether the 20 frame rates advertised for the new HVX170 include standard PAL rates (ie 25p and 50i)? One of the big problems for film makers in PAL regions such as EU and Australasia interested in the HVX200 has been how much more expensive the PAL version of the camera is (ie 50% more!). Thanks heaps.
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The menus were not enabled so we don't know. The switchable 50/60hz thing is a raging debate right now.

Okay, I found out a few more things that are different from the HVX200 to the 170. First, the HPX170 comes with a five year warranty. Second, not only is the firewire port a six-pin, but it's a LOCKING six pin! If you use a locking firewire cable, that cable isn't coming out.

Also, I don't know if it was mentioned before and I'm much too tired to read through the whole thread, but the 170 offers a time/date stamp burn-in for legal videography.

I know there are other things that I can't think of right now, somewhere I've got a list of about 24 different changes from the 200 (that we know of; there may be other surprises lurking under the hood.)
 
It really is going to be a sweet camera. Held the 150 at the Final Cut Super Meet last night and it was like holding a DVX again. I bet it will be priced below the current HVX when released (not by much, but below).
 
Barry, did you ask if you could get pre-production models of the 200A and 170 later on this year which are about 95% finished so you can do some testing for us ?
 
Cees Mutsaers said:
Barry, did you ask if you could get pre-production models of the 200A and 170 later on this year which are about 95% finished so you can do some testing for us ?
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I'm always clamoring to get products as early as possible. The 200A is already available, you can buy one today. For the 170, they said "September."
 
Barry, you supposed that the angle of view on the HVX200a in comparision to the HVX200 has changed due to bigger sensors. Can you confirm that? And does the claimed resolution of 1,1 million pixels mean it´s something close to a 720 x 1280 sensor (which would account for 0,92 million pixels)?
 
I am very curious about the answer !!


joe 1008 said:
Barry, you supposed that the angle of view on the HVX200a in comparision to the HVX200 has changed due to bigger sensors. Can you confirm that? And does the claimed resolution of 1,1 million pixels mean it´s something close to a 720 x 1280 sensor (which would account for 0,92 million pixels)?
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joe 1008 said:
Barry, you supposed that the angle of view on the HVX200a in comparision to the HVX200 has changed due to bigger sensors. Can you confirm that? And does the claimed resolution of 1,1 million pixels mean it´s something close to a 720 x 1280 sensor (which would account for 0,92 million pixels)?
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I think that claim (which I saw as I quote from Jan in some other thread somewhere) was worded "1.1 million EFFECTIVE pixels"

I interpret the word "effective" here to mean that 1.1 million pixels is not the actual resolution of the CCDs, but instead is the number of valid pixels that can be obtained from them by factoring in the spatial offset (pixel shifting) between the three CCDs.

So I take this to mean no increase in res over the current HVX CCD.
 
Barry_Green said:
I'm always clamoring to get products as early as possible. The 200A is already available, you can buy one today. For the 170, they said "September."
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Does anybody know the skinny on availability initially? Remember how difficult it was to get the first HVX200s.

Is it anybody's feeling that Panasonic will ship enough to meet demand?
 
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