Sprocketboy
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I've always had bad luck with sound on under 10K Sony cams. The Pannies hold up in this area. How big is HMC150 in comparison to the HVX or DVX? I suppose its a third smaller because of it doesn't have a tape transport.
Press Release: HMC150, "the new DVX"
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whachusay
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No offense, but I doubt it will be an EX1 Killer.
Sprocketboy
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I doubt it too, but for a little less than half the price of the EX1 it wouldn't be bad. Any higher... I'm out.
kgimedia
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HD is a consumer format.
I was going to stop there but I will qualify. HD was created for consumers not the pros. HD in a marketing term meaning above 719 lines. The main issue is there is not upper limit to HD so Imax is HD, 70mm is HD.
Zak Forsman
Major Contributor
i don't understand this. HD encompasses a multitude of codecs -- some pro, some less than. the same can be said of SD.
ecking
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People said the same thing about dv and hdv at a time.
Nektonic
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It just says sometime in the fall. I would guess approx. Sept - early Nov.
Im just saying that for the price, a lot of people that dont want to A:spend more money B:dont care for sxs C:doesnt care for 1/2'' sensorsB: doesnt Cmos with the rolling shutter artifacts... For those people this will fit perfectly.
I still like the EX1, but this cam is making my head turn.
Jon
I still like the EX1, but this cam is making my head turn.
Jon
My requests?
-Uncompressed audio option
-AVC-Intra video codec
-Better glass than the HVX
-Higher resolution than the HVX. (hvx is 540x960...I'd at least like to see the vertical resolution expanded to 720) (ps, are our eyes more sensitive to vertical or horizontal resolution?)
-Keep it in the $2500-3000 price range
-Keep it SDHC only, high speed card compatible
Basically, I don't understand this camera's target market. Who are this camera's customers? The DVX offered what many pro and amateur videographers and filmmakers believed to be the all-around best standard-def camera there is in the prosumer price range; a DVCPRO-50 tape deck would have pushed the costs up too high, so using DVCPRO compression they made the best camera they could getting in all the features they could afford.
Now Panasonic has the opportunity to capture that demographic again, at a highly competitive price. Instead though they're using a video format that only captures images on par with competing HDV cameras using compressed audio. Didn't Panasonic go against the HDV standard for it's quality issues? So instead of putting in some extra costs towards faster processors, encoders, and improved CCDs for the sake of a better recorded image, they're going to create a product that only pleases the expectations of the casual video viewer and not exceed those of the filmmakers and videographers that bought a DVX one camera generation earlier.
Panasonic has the technology to set the camera ahead of the competition--no expensive tape deck limitations, better processor technology, fast flash memory--but they aren't. And for what? To save the customer an extra $500 MSRP off the camera? I think most customers, at least those who loved what the DVX had to offer in it's day, would pay the extra money for a superior and more versatile product that will get use for the next 5-7 years. I still use my old, standard-def DVX on many occasions, and love it.
-Uncompressed audio option
-AVC-Intra video codec
-Better glass than the HVX
-Higher resolution than the HVX. (hvx is 540x960...I'd at least like to see the vertical resolution expanded to 720) (ps, are our eyes more sensitive to vertical or horizontal resolution?)
-Keep it in the $2500-3000 price range
-Keep it SDHC only, high speed card compatible
Basically, I don't understand this camera's target market. Who are this camera's customers? The DVX offered what many pro and amateur videographers and filmmakers believed to be the all-around best standard-def camera there is in the prosumer price range; a DVCPRO-50 tape deck would have pushed the costs up too high, so using DVCPRO compression they made the best camera they could getting in all the features they could afford.
Now Panasonic has the opportunity to capture that demographic again, at a highly competitive price. Instead though they're using a video format that only captures images on par with competing HDV cameras using compressed audio. Didn't Panasonic go against the HDV standard for it's quality issues? So instead of putting in some extra costs towards faster processors, encoders, and improved CCDs for the sake of a better recorded image, they're going to create a product that only pleases the expectations of the casual video viewer and not exceed those of the filmmakers and videographers that bought a DVX one camera generation earlier.
Panasonic has the technology to set the camera ahead of the competition--no expensive tape deck limitations, better processor technology, fast flash memory--but they aren't. And for what? To save the customer an extra $500 MSRP off the camera? I think most customers, at least those who loved what the DVX had to offer in it's day, would pay the extra money for a superior and more versatile product that will get use for the next 5-7 years. I still use my old, standard-def DVX on many occasions, and love it.
Digigenic
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6 Grand Price Tag???
6 Grand Price Tag???
Well.....
It appears Gizmodo have some insiders at Panasonic who are at liberty to divulge the MSRP of the HMC150, otherwise why would they print a $6 grand price tag?
I know we're expecting an approximate price tag of $3.5 grand, but how would you respond to an official announcement from Panny with a price tag higher than the HVX? It doesn't make sense to me.
...Although, their decision to increase the price of the HMC70 over it's expected introductory price of below $2000 could be indicative of what may happen with the HMC50.
6 Grand Price Tag???
Well.....
It appears Gizmodo have some insiders at Panasonic who are at liberty to divulge the MSRP of the HMC150, otherwise why would they print a $6 grand price tag?
I know we're expecting an approximate price tag of $3.5 grand, but how would you respond to an official announcement from Panny with a price tag higher than the HVX? It doesn't make sense to me.
...Although, their decision to increase the price of the HMC70 over it's expected introductory price of below $2000 could be indicative of what may happen with the HMC50.
I wouldn't say that's right. Another guy speculated 6k, I think Gizmodo pulled information from there.
If the HMC is anything above 4k I'll be very disheartened and disappointed with Panasonic in general.
Jared Meyer
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As would I.
Actually I won't give it a thought if it's priced higher than $3500. If that's the case I'll go straight to the HVX or it's replacement.
Derrick_SA
Veteran
If is is replacing the DVX, it can't be more expensive or closely price to the HVX, no businesss is that stupid.
It will probably be around $3000 somewhere.
- Derrick
It will probably be around $3000 somewhere.
- Derrick
Yeah, well . . . I'm not going to worry too much about rants from a commenter who wonders why there are two microphones on the camera in the pic.
Camera Expert
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That $6,000 quote comes from people who think that it’s the successor to the HVX200 but its not. It’s the successor of the DVX100B so the price should be similar. My prediction would be anywhere from $3,500 to $4,000.
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Not sure I would count on that (though it's possible). The 1/3" HD cams are all slower than the DVX for the same reason, which would probably apply to this one, too.