Press Release: HMC150, "the new DVX"

Barry_Green said:
I'd love to see the effect that guy's talking about, because I like to consider myself a master of "breaking" long-GOP codecs, and what he's talking about is nearly IMPOSSIBLE on the 150. Maybe if you shot 1080/60i in the worst-possible circumstances, but those same circumstances will break XDCAM-EX (and I know because I've done it).

The 150 is extremely solid, and in 720/24p mode it's bulletproof.
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I suspect they were shooting it in 6Mbps mode.
 
Please note that I changed the air time for the live Video Maker review of the HMC-150 from 1:00 PM (EST) to 2:00 PM (EST). Sorry about the earlier mistake.

Kamau
 
kamau said:
Please note that I changed the air time for the live Video Maker review of the HMC-150 from 1:00 PM (EST) to 2:00 PM (EST). Sorry about the earlier mistake.

Kamau
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Thanks Kamau. I was going to respond accordingly because we do a sizable edit work business with a couple Pacific coast ppl and London and thus have both the UK and San Fran on my phones two alternate time zones AND just used to calculating it lots because of calls/emails and right away went . . wha?

Got mine on and ready to watch and thanks for the heads up reminder. :o)
 
shrigg said:
I suspect they were shooting it in 6Mbps mode.
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All bets are off at that point then, yes. 6mbps probably looks pretty good for sit-down interviews but I wouldn't recommend trying it for any sort of detailed action scenes.

Sony says 9mbps is equivalent to 25mbps of HDV, so the 13mbps mode should be decent. But on a 150, the only way to get 24P is to put it in the 21mbps "PH" mode. It has four different modes, which are:
6mbps, I think that's called "HE" for "Economy"
13mbps, I think that's called "HG" for "Good"
17mbps, I think that's called "HA" for "Advanced"?

And then there's a whole bunch of settings for the new PH mode. 1080/60i, 1080/24P, 1080/30P, 720/60p, 720/30p, and 720/24p. Those are all 21~24mbps, full raster. Frankly, unless you have a serious need to store more footage on a card (and a single $30 8GB card stores 49 minutes!) then I don't know why anyone would bother with the lower-quality modes.

Unless, maybe, your editing platform only supported the lower-quality modes? If so, then I guess I could see that, but understand that you'd be dropping down to 1080/60i in the "HE" and "HG" and "HA" modes.

But, yeah, if they were recording in 6mbps then I could certainly see the potential for HDV-style macroblocking and codec overloading. But not at 24mbps... not unless it was *extreme* circumstances.
 
Barry_Green said:
All bets are off at that point then, yes. 6mbps probably looks pretty good for sit-down interviews but I wouldn't recommend trying it for any sort of detailed action scenes....

....if they were recording in 6mbps then I could certainly see the potential for HDV-style macroblocking and codec overloading. But not at 24mbps... not unless it was *extreme* circumstances.
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Well 6Mbps was just my suspicion what with the trade show hotel room/much alcohol served setting. Not to discredit the OP but he sounded like one of those EX1 defenders trying to justify their own camera purchase by talking smack about the new camera.
 
shrigg said:
. . . Not to discredit the OP but he sounded like one of those EX1 defenders trying to justify their own camera purchase by talking smack about the new camera.
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Maybe that's what our contact in CA is doing also. We'll all see in the short time span forward huh?

Just like, we've heard all over that the rolling shutter on CMOS chips is horendous and totally unacceptable even when we talked about how the manufacturer stated that they had done all kinds of things on the front end of grabbing the capture to help clean up the noise issue and resultantly such discussion actually hesitated our move in that direction for about 4 extra months. Then one day we tried out an EX1 that a local had and unless we really shook the camera or got a flash right up in front of it we couldn't get the issue to occur and thus puchased a Z7U and even in low light have not been able to replicate what some have described as a "serious" issue and totally "unacceptable" yet all across the video platform we kept seeing more and more material showing up with these types of cameras.

The rub? Perhaps loyalty to a brand like those guys in CA who are looking and saying things that might actually be relative but perhaps in a very isolated circumstance or overcooked (like overclocked :o) condition that might happen once in a videographers career :o)
 
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Just finished watching the live VideoMaker Web Cast on the HMC-150.

Much of the stuff was covered here; however of interest:

> Image flip for 35mm Adapters
> Low Light performance rated very good, NO comments about microblocks
> They have files you can download and see for yourself

http://www.videomaker.com/video/live/

> Editing will be transcoding or a VERY powerful computer

I understand the web cast will be replayed or your can play it back at any time...


Bob Diaz
 
BobDiaz said:
Just finished watching the live VideoMaker Web Cast on the HMC-150.

Much of the stuff was covered here; however of interest:

> Image flip for 35mm Adapters
> Low Light performance rated very good, NO comments about microblocks
> They have files you can download and see for yourself

http://www.videomaker.com/video/live/

> Editing will be transcoding or a VERY powerful computer

I understand the web cast will be replayed or your can play it back at any time...


Bob Diaz
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Very encouraging. After looking around the Videomaker site I didn't see a link to an archived version of the review. The live link seems to not replay. Has anyone found a way to replay the review?
 
sd out?

sd out?

If I shoot AVCHD can I play SD DV out of the composite jack of this camcorder? Will it play out live? I can see shooting AVC and dumping off to DVCAM for clients rather than transcoding in FCP.
 
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