Got a chance to put EX1 up against HVX

Personally I think Barry's just waiting for the right time to release his own line of cameras....
that's right........the GREEN


(I'd buy one)
 
Luis Caffesse said:
Personally I think Barry's just waiting for the right time to release his own line of cameras....
that's right........the GREEN


(I'd buy one)
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Get in line, my furry friend -- we've already had a thread discussing designing it, and someone dubbed it the Green One. :) So the design's ready, now it just needs to go into production. Small hitch in the plan -- I'm not a billionaire yet. So as soon as I get that part in place, we can go into production. The whole becoming-a-billionaire is taking a little longer than I had planned on though. :)
 
Barry, I'll donate as well. I'll buy you a beer at NAB. :D
At least it will help you get over how long it's taking to become a billionair! I'm still working on that myself. (No not the camera).
 
lawriejaffa said:
However I can totally understand why one would prefer the EX for wedding vids and docus where available light sources were more limited, particularly interiors with available light.
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Well if I were a bride, and I guess I have been there, I would be upset with this:

http://homepage.mac.com/epiphany2002/25.mov

About 2 seconds into the clip there is a flash that virtually divides the happy couple in half, horizontally. Think of all the times during a wedding the guests snap pictures of the happy couple, going up the aisle, down the aisle the first dance, the toast, all of those shots will be filled with this silliness. I don't think it is a good wedding camera either.


Best,

Jan
 
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There's no confirmation of the image going soft on the EX1 during movement.
EVen the EX1vsHVX_720pMotionBig.mov example comparing both cameras the background blur does not look any different.

Also, most important, as the shutter speed or frame rate is increased, image blur is decreased (as it should with any camera).
If the camera head is having a hard time catching up, it certainly won't get better at fast frame and shutter rates. I cranked up
the shutter last night under bright lights and movement was very sharp.

I believe it's all perception. The EX1 renders more detail than the HVX200, therefore, motion blur is more obvious. I noticed this years ago when getting into HD.
 
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Jan_Crittenden said:
Well if I were a bride, and I guess I have been there, I would be upset with this:

http://homepage.mac.com/epiphany2002/25.mov

About 2 seconds into the clip there is a flash that virtually divides the happy couple in half, horizontally. Think of all the times during a wedding the guests snap pictures of the happy couple, going up the aisle, down the aisle the first dance, the toast, all of those shots will be filled with this silliness. I don't think it is a good wedding camera either.


Best,

Jan
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I've done a ton of weddings (Sony Z1U's) and I would be lost if I had those results. There would be so much post production to do a slow motion recap and fix those clips; even more difficult when camera is in motion. I liked the specs on the EX1 and I followed it ever since April 15th, (I purchased a HVX instead) now I'm glad that I waited. This camera may be good for docs, features, interviews, but for weddings? I've encounterd more than 20 flashes in a 10 sec clip and I couldn't imagine trying to fix this, and I really couldn't imagine what this would look like at 20% or 50% speed.

* A NOTE: I was going under the assumption that the clip was from the EX1 but I'm not sure if it was (I was assuming since we were all talking about the EX1).
 
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Just came across this thread, how could I have missed it! Didn't realise my name was being thrown around so much just because I like my EX1 so much!

Anyway, for the guy who put one of the things I shot on dvd and played it back and looked like video I don't know what you did, maybe because it is 25p and you turned it into NTSC (?), but when I put it through my xbox 360 at 1080p it looks better than most stuff I see on my SKY HD. I was shocked at how beautiful it looked on my 46" screen. I felt like I was there. It was absolutely PIN sharp (when I got it in focus!) and looked nothing like video!

Have you seen this and played this on the big screen? This is about as unvideo as I have done!

http://www.philipbloom.co.uk/Philip_Bloom/My_Autumns_Done_Come:_Letus_and_EX1.html

Tomorrow I am going out to make something truly special I hope, if my virus that has knocked me out lets me.

I am not bought up by Sony or by anyone. Everything I own I bought and am extremely happy with. I sold my HVX to buy my EX1 and am truly not regretting it for all the reasons I have outlined many times before. The only reason I bang on about how great the EX1 is for a very simple reason. It's the best camera I have ever bought for the money. This is just MY opinion and this is from a DOP who stopped doing maths when he left school! Someone who just looks at images and sees what he prefers. Yes I am being paid by Sony for three days work at the end of the month to talk about my first hand experiences with the EX1 at the broadcast forum, but that's all. I would do the same for any company whose product I found superb and who offered me cash for it. I haven't quite gone down the route of celebrities doing adverts for products because they are given big bucks...then again if anyone WANTS to offer me big bucks...

I am 99% certain to be using the ex1 and quite a lot of the Letus Extreme to be shooting a feature length doco for theatrical release once transfered to 35mm, it's the only camera I want to use given the logistics of where I will be, the subject matter, the ease of workflow, the picture quality and the portability. For me it's a winner in every respect. Do I miss my HVX, not really. There was much that bothered me that I never got used to. Things the EX1 solved instantly.

if people prefer the HVX then that's cool! It's horses for courses. Some people prefer Ferraris over Porsches. Who are we to argue? I shot my short "Homeless Portraits" http://www.philipbloom.co.uk/Philip_Bloom/35mm_Shorts.html#0 on the HVX and Brevis and it is still in pride of place on my showreel!

If Panny bring out a new HVX and it knocks the socks off of the EX1 I will buy that instead. When it comes to new cameras I am a tart, a bat of an eyelash, a glimpse of new shapely body, and I am all hers! :-)
 
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Jan_Crittenden said:
Well if I were a bride, and I guess I have been there, I would be upset with this:

http://homepage.mac.com/epiphany2002/25.mov

About 2 seconds into the clip there is a flash that virtually divides the happy couple in half, horizontally. Think of all the times during a wedding the guests snap pictures of the happy couple, going up the aisle, down the aisle the first dance, the toast, all of those shots will be filled with this silliness. I don't think it is a good wedding camera either.


Best,

Jan
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What camera was that shot with?
 
Hey Philip, nice little movie, I like the mood of the song with your images. For the comparaison between both camera, I will let people debate between them but in your film the Canon look very nice with the 35mm adapter.
 
philip bloom said:
Hi shadow, do you mean the ex1 or the canon? if you mean the canon are you referring to this?

http://www.philipbloom.co.uk/Philip_Bloom/HV20__Letus_Mini_test.html

This what shot on the dirt cheap HV20. One little camera that for me to operate is like knitting with boxing gloves, but when I got my head around it I was amazed at the images I could squeeze out of it! Canon's are the one brand I have barely used. I would love to road test an A1 one day.
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Hi Philip, I mean the Sony ex1 that I barely know the existence until this thread and the movie "My Autumn's Done Come".
 
Cheers Shadow

What people so often forget about it is a good shooter will be able to get good images out of whatever camera he or she uses. This HV20 cost me £500 and with the Letus I have got better pictures out of that I have got with a £30,000 digi beta. Who'd have thought it!?
 
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philip bloom said:
Cheers Shadow

What people so often forget about it is a good shooter will be able to get good images out of whatever camera he or she uses. This HV20 cost me £500 and with the Letus I have got better pictures out of that I have got with a £30,000 digi beta. Who'd of thought it!
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Philip, tu m’enlève les mots de la bouche (you take my words from the mouth) Is it a good translation.
 
philip bloom said:
What people so often forget about it is a good shooter will be able to get good images out of whatever camera he or she uses.
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Exactly why I'm still perfectly content with my VX2100 while I sort out the whole HVX/EX1 debate. Not that I'm any good, just content.

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