Got a chance to put EX1 up against HVX

philip bloom said:
Just came across this thread, how could I have missed it! Didn't realise my name was being thrown around so much just because I like my EX1 so much!

Anyway, for the guy who put one of the things I shot on dvd and played it back and looked like video I don't know what you did, maybe because it is 25p and you turned it into NTSC (?), but when I put it through my xbox 360 at 1080p it looks better than most stuff I see on my SKY HD. I was shocked at how beautiful it looked on my 46" screen. I felt like I was there. It was absolutely PIN sharp (when I got it in focus!) and looked nothing like video!

Have you seen this and played this on the big screen? This is about as unvideo as I have done!

http://www.philipbloom.co.uk/Philip_Bloom/My_Autumns_Done_Come:_Letus_and_EX1.html

Tomorrow I am going out to make something truly special I hope, if my virus that has knocked me out lets me.

I am not bought up by Sony or by anyone. Everything I own I bought and am extremely happy with. I sold my HVX to buy my EX1 and am truly not regretting it for all the reasons I have outlined many times before. The only reason I bang on about how great the EX1 is for a very simple reason. It's the best camera I have ever bought for the money. This is just MY opinion and this is from a DOP who stopped doing maths when he left school! Someone who just looks at images and sees what he prefers. Yes I am being paid by Sony for three days work at the end of the month to talk about my first hand experiences with the EX1 at the broadcast forum, but that's all. I would do the same for any company whose product I found superb and who offered me cash for it. I haven't quite gone down the route of celebrities doing adverts for products because they are given big bucks...then again if anyone WANTS to offer me big bucks...

I am 99% certain to be using the ex1 and quite a lot of the Letus Extreme to be shooting a feature length doco for theatrical release once transfered to 35mm, it's the only camera I want to use given the logistics of where I will be, the subject matter, the ease of workflow, the picture quality and the portability. For me it's a winner in every respect. Do I miss my HVX, not really. There was much that bothered me that I never got used to. Things the EX1 solved instantly.

if people prefer the HVX then that's cool! It's horses for courses. Some people prefer Ferraris over Porsches. Who are we to argue? I shot my short "Homeless Portraits" http://www.philipbloom.co.uk/Philip_Bloom/35mm_Shorts.html#0 on the HVX and Brevis and it is still in pride of place on my showreel!

If Panny bring out a new HVX and it knocks the socks off of the EX1 I will buy that instead. When it comes to new cameras I am a tart, a bat of an eyelash, a glimpse of new shapely body, and I am all hers! :)
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Actually, I think most of the comments about you said you make the EX-1 Look like a Winner. =P Which is true.
 
The german online magazine "Film-TV-Video" which aims for professionals has compared the HVX to the EX1 and they come to the following interesting results:

- HVX has less noise at daylight in dark areas of the picture
- HVX has sharper pictures for fast moving objects (they filmed driving cars)
- HVX has sometimes crisper details at daylight
- HVX stands more stable on a flat surface
- EX1 is also unbalanced towards the side, not only towards the head


So this and more points make the HVX the winner for that test. The EX1 has also its strong points that we know... nothing new there:

- better for lowlight than HVX
- a little bit less smear than HVX (but sort of star...)
- stronger in several handling points
- more settings
- overall better LCD (I prefer the black bars for data display...)

etc. etc.

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cici said:
The german online magazine "Film-TV-Video" which aims for professionals has compared the HVX to the EX1 and they come to the following interesting results:

- HVX has less noise at daylight in dark areas of the picture
- HVX has sharper pictures for fast moving objects (they filmed driving cars)
- HVX has sometimes crisper details at daylight
- HVX stands more stable on a flat surface
- EX1 is also unbalanced towards the side, not only towards the head


So this and more points make the HVX the winner for that test. The EX1 has also its strong points that we know... nothing new there:

- better for lowlight than HVX
- a little bit less smear than HVX (but sort of star...)
- stronger in several handling points
- more settings
- overall better LCD (I prefer the black bars for data display...)

etc. etc.

It's a long text, so please try some online traduction if you want the test in english...

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That and you need to Sprechen Deutsch.
 
philip bloom said:
Cheers Shadow

What people so often forget about it is a good shooter will be able to get good images out of whatever camera he or she uses. This HV20 cost me £500 and with the Letus I have got better pictures out of that I have got with a £30,000 digi beta. Who'd have thought it!?
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I'll personally agree with you on that. My younger brother was thinking about spending a few thousand dollars to get a nice camera like an VX2100 or a GL2. I told him about the HV20 and he doesn't regret it one bit! I told him as long as he has the eye for it, he can make Hi8 look great!
 
mikkowilson said:
I've seen horrible CA out of a HD-750. It happens to the best of them.


- Mikko
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HPX 500 certainly isnt the best of them, but being able to buy 2/3 inch at this price with CAC technology thats beating some of the bigger horses blah blah blah... this is the wrong thread for that.
 
14sec to playback mode.....wow...That's insane...and 12 sec back to camera mode!

What were Sony thinking? How could they possibly make something take this long!? When the hvx takes 2sec max. When I was camera assist on shoots with hvx I kept insisting that we could playback the footage! the DOP and director loved it...I'd be playing back before they were ready! haha.

A non-profit community video place I work for just ordered the EX1 and Z7P.... It was an EX1 or HVX...now I'm thinking I should have advised them the HVX....Hmm... :S

Could it be fixed with a firmware update? (haha...someone has to say this to every problem!)

Cheers,
Tom



P.S: Noel....thats a hot name you've got for your production company....have you seen Red's 'Scarlet Pocket Digital cinema' camera? haha http://www.reduser.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=31
 
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People! There is a REC REVIEW button on the camera that allows you to instaneously review the last clip that you have recorded. In the menus, you can adjust the playback time of REC REVIEW to play the last 3 seconds, 10 seconds, or the entire clip. Of course, if you want to be able to view any of your clips shot during the day, then yes, you will have to wait 12-14 seconds while switching camera modes. But to review the last clip that you record, you do not have to switch over to play mode, you can instantaneously review the clip and the camera will jump back to standby.
 
TheMusician said:
People! There is a REC REVIEW button on the camera that allows you to instaneously review the last clip that you have recorded. In the menus, you can adjust the playback time of REC REVIEW to play the last 3 seconds, 10 seconds, or the entire clip. Of course, if you want to be able to view any of your clips shot during the day, then yes, you will have to wait 12-14 seconds while switching camera modes. But to review the last clip that you record, you do not have to switch over to play mode, you can instantaneously review the clip and the camera will jump back to standby.
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That's good that you can edit the length of the REC review, but but not usefull at all if you wanna see a clip before that last clip. Or if you need to see and compare a few clips quickly. How did they get it to take so long? My VX1000 which started production in 1996 takes way less time to get into playback mode! And that camera is slow and old!
 
Having quick access to all clips would be great, but I must admit, if I was only allowed to play back one, it would be the confirmation of the shot I just made.
 
I took my EX1 to the south bank in London yesterday and made a little short which you can see here: http://www.philipbloom.co.uk/Philip_Bloom/South_Bank:_Letus_and_EX1.html

I remember taking my HVX down there a year or so ago, I still have the footage and it looks nowhere near as good as this.

Any people who question how filmic the EX1 looks, I think this latest little thing I have done looks pretty damn filmic to me! Of course the Letus Extreme helps!!
 
Nice Promo hehe, it is nice, however gorgeous though your footage is, and theres no doubting your skill in bringing the best out of it (sony's hired u to teach stuff on it yep?) I still find fault with the motion of movement on the cam, (an element not apparent with your clips that have the cam mostly on the sticks.)

The letus is great and that makes a massive difference to the filmic quality of the footage! It still lacks the mojo for me personally, perhaps the sharpness even in the areas in focus, its hard to describe...

Nevertheless, nice, theres no doubt the greatest strength of the EX for most will be the sharp resolution, its the other compromises, some shown in the clip, others not that keep me sceptical. ;)
 
philip bloom said:
I took my EX1 to the south bank in London yesterday and made a little short which you can see here: http://www.philipbloom.co.uk/Philip_Bloom/South_Bank:_Letus_and_EX1.html

I remember taking my HVX down there a year or so ago, I still have the footage and it looks nowhere near as good as this.

Any people who question how filmic the EX1 looks, I think this latest little thing I have done looks pretty damn filmic to me! Of course the Letus Extreme helps!!
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Philip:

Have you shot interviews in quiet rooms with the EX-1 yet? I would be very curious to hear the sound quality the camera produces. I shot with the Z1 for two years and it had pretty low sound quality, the HVX/DVX have much better sound quality.

Let us know.

Best,

Dan
 
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