Outside shot... ( First Exterior Red frame grab )

amazing image

amazing image

Sharp, clean, colorful. I hate to repeat what's been said but this one is very nice. It's especially amazing how nicely everything holds together when doing secondary color corrections. I find that other HD bleeds a lot of colors together. The RED image truly has a film-like response.

This image is sort of a cheat though. It's obviously a nice overcast, southern california morning shot. The whole sky is like a giant softbox. Very little in terms of specular highlights.

I am ready for some intense directional sunlight in these upcoming exterior shots. What does it look like when the actor is next to a huge picture window and the exterior burns out? How about shooting a silouette of an actor with the sun behind them. Let's see some Southern Cali sunsets, Jim!

I am betting it will look more organic than any electronic image we have seen to date from any digital motion camera.

Ok, I am going back to making the money now.

-RED#142
 
Nothing beats, girl on girl action! You can totally tell what they are going to do next in the scene... totally! I mean look.. one of the girls is rubbing her leg against the other one while having a hand so deep in her pocket? I mean c'mon!

You can also tell the other girl is looking at the sandwich and trying to figure out if she likes tuna or not. The anticipation is killing me.

This is one of the finest moments caught on tape.

Beautiful!
 
The milkman rings nice: I knew it from the beginning: RED will do the job and we will spread this philosophy around the world.

Thank you REDteam
 
I had a question about "sharpening". According to the post, this picture has not been sharpened or photoshopped in any way. With that being said, I immediately downloaded the pic and brought it into photoshop to do some tweaking. I also downloaded a still of an actor shot on 35mm film for comparison from another site. When I compared the two, the 35mm still looked sharper than the Red still. However, when I put the sharpen filter from photoshop onto the Red still it suddenly looked as sharp as the 35mm still without introducing too many artifacts (at least for a still). So my question is, "When Red introduces footage with the sharpening done to it, will it look comparable to the sharpened photoshop still that I did?". Is that what sharpening is in terms of what you guys are refering to? I hope so, because I really liked what I saw with the image after I digitally sharpened it in photoshop.
 
Great question... sharpening, if that is the desired look, will be done in REDCINE. Then you can have it either way.

Jim
 
Jannard said:
Great question... sharpening, if that is the desired look, will be done in REDCINE. Then you can have it either way.

Jim
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and hence is the advantage of the Raw workflow. Record the image with the most information possible, and then push it and mold it and take it as far as you want... and even more importantly, be able to press the undo button :)
 
sharpening and big screens

sharpening and big screens

I should probably not say anything because I have much less experience with real cinema than many others here... but what the heck...

How much you sharpen the image should be matched to the final output. CRT monitor, LCD monitor, digital front projector and film-out for conventional projection all show the image differently. Beyond just native pixel count, the screen size and viewing distance affect how much sharpness the viewer sees. The larger the screen is, the more obvious and unpleasant any sharpening artifacts become. I do not think there are any desktop monitors that match current high-quality digital projectors, so be careful about applying sharpening just to make it look good on your computer screen! (unless of course it's direct-to-DVD and that's your only intended display)
 
Sharpening, if done at all, should be done as a final step to match the final display characteristics. There's nothing worse than over sharpening (see any commercial hollywood movie DVD) or even worse, adding sharpening on top of sharpening - ouch!!!

Graeme
 
i did my take on it.....again!:

edit: it looks like i crushed the blacks a little too much. of course, when i brought the image into photoshop it didn't look like what you guys see below. i don't know how to fix that problem.

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Justin_Kirch said:
when i brought the image into photoshop it didn't look like what you guys see below. i don't know how to fix that problem.
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I've been having that problem a lot lately too... it has to do with color profiles and what is set up to display what, but it's frustrating beyond belief. I was doing some work on a theatrical poster last weekend, saved the results to my drive, and applied the image as my "desktop" wallpaper. When I then opened the very same image in the standard preview, the saturation difference between the two was considerable. The image looked different still in a browser looking at the photo uploaded to the web. It's probably a matter of calibrating everything to view images in the same way, but they certainly don't make it easy and I definitely can't expect my viewers to have the knowledge to do so if I don't even know where to look. With everything being digital these days, is it really that difficult to assign a value to a color so when I want to see red, I see red? :)
 
I totally agree. Be careful with that sharpening... You might find people say "I can tell it's digital... It's too sharp". Red has enough resolution to not have to compensate with sharpening to produce good footage. What I've seen so far have exicted me BECAUSE of the soft-look, without it looking out of focus. I'd stay clear of sharpening tools unless I've added some filters in post that might jepardize the focus...

Great results Jim! Don't wait too long with posting the video's from this shoot. Think of us poor souls overseas unable to attend the screening :)
 
Part of the look is the extensive research we've conducted into de-mosaicing algorithms. What we're going for is a silky smooth, natural look. I think we're getting that in our 4k images.

Graeme
 
Beautiful move Graeme. Soft silky textures lend themselves to all the post work you want to do. In other words, it's the best digital negative. Anyway, when you see a projected film you don't say wow look how sharp those edges are! You notice the resolution and the smooth gradations between tones.
 
Graeme_Nattress said:
Part of the look is the extensive research we've conducted into de-mosaicing algorithms. What we're going for is a silky smooth, natural look. I think we're getting that in our 4k images.

Graeme
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That's called "Digital Cinema". So far the preliminaries look like you're getting there, although for true testing we need more varied footage, IMHO.
May I suggest this ? :

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My girlfriend would look great on a surfboard. All I need is the airfair and a room at REDquarters...(or I hear that Jessica Alba surfs :happy:) but:beer:
 
Justin_Kirch said:
i did my take on it.....again!:

edit: it looks like i crushed the blacks a little too much. of course, when i brought the image into photoshop it didn't look like what you guys see below. i don't know how to fix that problem.

1162402683.jpg
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Nice. These colors are a dream came true @a_digital_camera.
 
Great picture! DOF, softness, skin details, composition, compression, along many others!
Beautifull to be part of the dev, thanks and big respect.

Cannot wait to see a tif 16 bit version of the still, and of course a little motion. And of course a big dinamyc range test....

I would also love to see "Frankie", a mysterium sensor, in a box with crazy wire around and two screws one on each side of the box :-)


I've liked the idea to color replace the girls shirts, so I've copied it...
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Demosaicing algorithms

Demosaicing algorithms

Graeme_Nattress said:
Part of the look is the extensive research we've conducted into de-mosaicing algorithms. What we're going for is a silky smooth, natural look. I think we're getting that in our 4k images.

Graeme
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Hello Graeme,

I have been trying to improve dcraw's demosaicing algorithms, and am reading up papers to that end. One big problem with dcraw's AHD algorithm is jagged diagonal edges. Can you give us open source folks some pointers on how to get that silky smooth natural look?

With regards,
Tripurari
 
TS1 - wish I could be what we're doing is proprietary, and also designed purely to be used with our sensor. I couldn't call it a generic algorithm. I did compare what we're doing with Adobe RAW converter and thought ours looked slightly better on our images....

Graeme
 
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