F3: Zeiss MC or Zeiss single coated

Duke M.

Veteran
Someone please tell me if they've had a similar experience.

I've been looking at and playing with some used Zeiss lenses. I accept that Multi Coated lenses have less lens flare. No disagreements there.

However, when comparing an older single coated zebra lens with a newer MC (Multi Coated) lens the single coated lens seemed just a little sharper. I'm not saying the MC lens wasn't sharp, it was. It just seemed that the old Jena DDR (East Germany) Zebra lens was extra sharp. (They are called zebra because of the black and white stripes on the rings.)

PRO: I was interested in the Jena DDR version because it was so cheap, has a really long focus throw (~300-320 degrees) and in this case looked like its brand new even though the serial number indicates manufacture between 1970 and 1975. And really the lens flare on the DDR version isn't bad at all. Hey, that's what matt boxes are for.

CON: I've seen some of these lenses with poor finishes and rough mechanics. Caveat Emptor. Make sure someone who knows what to look for examines them.

[History Note: There were at least two Carl Zeiss factories that became separated when the Berlin wall went up in 1945. The machines, designs and workers stayed at the Jena factory in East Germany. Under communism QC sometimes suffered. In the 1970's they realized that these were a valuable export and tightened up QC a bit.

On another note the Carl Zeiss 180mm Sonnar F2.8 lens was developed specifically to film the 1936 Berlin Olympics. Even during the cold war the DDR version of the 180mm Sonnar was listed in the West German Zeiss catalog. Its an impressive, and huge piece of glass. Sonnar means sun.]
 
Lots of people looking at this, but no comments. I'd still like to know if other people have thought the older single coated lenses seemed sharper to them.

I did find a post from three years ago that had this from 'Postmaster' Frank in Germany.

"No breathing at all.
I got the famous "Zebra" primes (black and white striped rings) of Zeiss Jena (1960s).
Best glass they ever mad IMHO.

The later primes with multi coating (MC) and black rubber rings are not that quality anymore.
Even modern Zeiss primes don´t come close (regarding character).

In the sixties they still had the know how (people) and the material to make those wonderful primes. Later communism took his toll with material shortages and the "old hands" going in to retirement."
 
I would love to find some of those single coated older lenses. There are several on eBay from a Ukrainian vendor in PL mount but just am not certain of them.

Ned
 
I would love to find some of those single coated older lenses. There are several on eBay from a Ukrainian vendor in PL mount but just am not certain of them.

Ned

@ Ned, It's wise to be leery of PL versions of these lenses. There are M42 to PL adapters, and there are M42 mount versions of the lenses. However, most of those M42 to PL adapters only fit up to 51mm diameter lenses and the 50mm Zeiss zebra, for example, is 52mm. You can reverse the PL adapter to fit it on, but then you lose infinity focus. In effect it only becomes macro lens.

That being said I've ordered one from the Ukrainian guy and I'll let you know how it goes. The 180 and the 120 he offers are F2.8, which is pretty much along modern lines. The 80mm is also F2.8 which is slow for a modern lens in that length. Nothing shorter than 80mm at this point.

It would be great to have a Zeiss PL lens at a reasonable price. It's just going to depend on how well the lens tech did the conversion. Basically he has to machine a new back end of the lens out of stainless steel.

@ Yoclay, the German ebay seems more expensive in general and sometimes I've had to pay import fees when buying from Europe. Its been hit or miss on the fees though.
 
older zeiss are better than newer (as far as everything below their top lenses are concerned). west german QBM zeiss (all metal, no rubber grip) or east german M42 zebra zeiss are better constructed than anything of todays standards within the same professional level.

I use west german qbm zeiss and it is head and shoulders above the newer contax and crap modern zeiss made in canon ef and nikon mount
 
older zeiss are better than newer (as far as everything below their top lenses are concerned). west german QBM zeiss (all metal, no rubber grip) or east german M42 zebra zeiss are better constructed than anything of todays standards within the same professional level.

I use west german qbm zeiss and it is head and shoulders above the newer contax and crap modern zeiss made in canon ef and nikon mount

Some of the modern Zeiss lenses aren't made by Zeiss, but by a couple Japanese manufaturers. I remember reading that one of those Japanese manufaturers was not at the level Zeiss demands of itself but I have to look for the article to tell you which one. The early Contax were supposed to a superior ground breaking lens and camera. Later Zeiss revised the name and farmed the lenses out.
 
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