Youtube Replacement because of COPPA

jamedia.uk

jamedia.uk

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Does anyone know of a (free) system like Youtube for hosting Videos that is not US based?

With the new (?) COPPA thing coming in and the YouTube not-for/for kids buttons and algorithms those of us not based in the US, who have very different cultures and standards, I can see a need for a no US version of YouTube.

Any recommendations?
 
Who would be against protecting the privacy of kids under 13 years old without parental consent and for teenagers 13-15 without the user's consent?
 
jamedia.uk said:
You completely miss the point.
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I looked at your YouTube channel and I really do not see what your concern would be against this protective measure by Youtube and neither do I see what it would have to do with "different cultures and standards".

But, if you no longer like YouTube because of it I suppose you have to find something else.

Also, feel free to explain to me what point I am supposedly missing.
 
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Cary Knoop said:
I looked at your YouTube channel and I really do not see what your concern would be against this protective measure by Youtube and neither do I see what it would have to do with "different cultures and standards".
But feel free to explain to me what point I am missing.
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I have four long pantomime videos. The language and jokes will not meet the YouTube "for kids" criteria. However There are a lot of children inthe audience.
The problem is the US has a prudish, repressed and hypocritical view of a lot of this and is out of step with most of the world (other than Iran, Saudi Arabia and places like that). That is the problem what is being applied in practice not the principal.

Cary Knoop said:
But hey, if you no longer like YouTube because of it I suppose you have to find something else.
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From what I have seen large numbers of people whose income is a Youtube channel are going to have to move.
Of course if Youtube opens a separate company ( MyTube? ) and servers in somewhere like Europe that is not under COPPA that would work.
 
Cary Knoop said:
Who would be against protecting the privacy of kids under 13 years old without parental consent and for teenagers 13-15 without the user's consent?
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Here's what looks like a reasonable discussion of some of the possible unexpected consequences of YouTube's attempt at COPPA compliance. From The Verge a couple weeks ago:


YouTube’s new kids’ content system has creators scrambling
The government could sue them for thousands of dollars

[snip]
The new system is already sending creators reeling over what exactly is considered kids’ content and what could happen if they unintentionally mislabel videos. Some of YouTube’s most popular categories falls into a gray area for the policy, including gaming videos, family vlogging, and toy reviews.

“Creators are being held directly responsible by the FTC,“ Dan Eardley, who reviews collectible toys on his channel Pixel Dan, told The Verge on Wednesday. “So if the FTC decides that [we] are indeed targeting children, we’ll be fined. That is frightening.”

“It’s especially scary because the verbiage of ‘kid directed’ vs ‘kid attractive’ isn’t very clear,” he continued. “It’s hard to know if we’re in violation or not.”
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Rest of the not-long article, with links, etc:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/13...coppa-ftc-fine-settlement-youtubers-new-rules
 
jamedia.uk said:
The problem is the US has a prudish, repressed and hypocritical view of a lot of this and is out of step with most of the world (other than Iran, Saudi Arabia and places like that).
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Oh dear!

I am sure you are glad you live in enlightened Birmingham and not in the USA! :)

jamedia.uk said:
From what I have seen large numbers of people whose income is a Youtube channel are going to have to move.
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Aww, now we must feel so sorry for those folks who rack millions from ads on YouTube that target gullible children?
 
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Jim Feeley said:
Here's what looks like a reasonable discussion of some of the possible unexpected consequences of YouTube's attempt at COPPA compliance. From The Verge a couple weeks ago:

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“It’s especially scary because the verbiage of ‘kid directed’ vs ‘kid attractive’ isn’t very clear,” he continued. “It’s hard to know if we’re in violation or not.”
[snip]

Rest of the not-long article, with links, etc:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/13...coppa-ftc-fine-settlement-youtubers-new-rules
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The problem is what is "reasonable". Lots of people seem to be having a problem with this,even the US youTubers who are used to US standards. Those in the rest of the world are going to have even more of a problem.

So either YouTube does a non-US set up or some one else will.
 
jamedia.uk said:
So either YouTube does a non-US set up or some one else will.
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Problem is that it will takes years until a new service can compete with YouTube in regards to viewers. If at all.
There’s Vimeo, with better picture quality but if you need/want the video to get as many views as possible, there’s no option than to put it on YouTube.
YouTube is the second (or was it third?) biggest search engine. And it’s not even a search engine per se. That’s how massive YouTube is.
 
jamedia.uk said:
The problem is what is "reasonable".
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By "reasonable" I meant that The Verge appears to take a fairly even-handed approach to discussing the issue. And the international aspect is for sure an issue. Like how many US-based sites are dealing with, or at least thinking about GDPR, I think COPPA compliance will reach beyond US borders.

But yes, YouTube carries a big stick that they don't wield with much precision. So a non-US host could help...

I'd think the French-owned Dailymotion is an option; not a great UX imo, but appears to consider a wider range of material acceptable. Vimeo is likely to take a more nuanced stance on COPPA compliance... Google points me to this comparison... It's not great, but looks at least a little useful:

Video Site Comparison: YouTube VS Dailymotion
https://acethinker.com/youtube-downloader/youtube-vs-dailymotion.html


Good luck and let us know what you end up doing!
 
Jim Feeley said:
I'd think the French-owned Dailymotion is an option; not a great UX imo, but appears to consider a wider range of material acceptable. https://acethinker.com/youtube-downloader/youtube-vs-dailymotion.html
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You have hit the nail on the head. What is acceptable on a "general" system in France is considered "Porn" in the USA. For example Facebook (a US company) bans images of female nipples but not male ones (or did last time I saw it mentioned) which is as mentioned is closer to Iran and Saudi Arabia than most of the world. As I said my videos of the pantomimes are likely to fall foul of this due to the language and double and entendre never mind some of the actions. However the physical audience inthe hall is largely children. In this regard the US does not hold a central point of balance but more of an outlier.


However most of the complaints (see https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=coppa ) are that the unintended consequences of the way it is implemented will kill very many channels. Especially in eSports, gaming, cartoons and animations etc etc. even if not aimed at children.
It looks like any serious gamer on Fornite will have a problem...
 
I saw children playing nude in the fountains in Stockholm, saw men urinate in the streets of Amsterdam and women topless sunbathing in Sao Paulo. Depending on circumstances, any of those could earn a spot on the registered sex offender list in U.S. I wonder, if U.S. were not so litigious the mores would be more inline with world views. I don't think it's that we're prudes but we do have actual problems with sexual predators targeting children. I don't know how much that is a world problem.

The U.S. has pursued Roman Polanski for most of his life yet he lives freely in France.
 
Tom Roper said:
I saw children playing nude in the fountains in Stockholm, saw men urinate in the streets of Amsterdam and women topless sunbathing in Sao Paulo. Depending on circumstances, any of those could earn a spot on the registered sex offender list in U.S. I wonder, if U.S. were not so litigious the mores would be more inline with world views. I don't think it's that we're prudes but we do have actual problems with sexual predators targeting children. I don't know how much that is a world problem.

The U.S. has pursued Roman Polanski for most of his life yet he lives freely in France.
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Welcome to prudish America.
www.npr.org/2019/11/21/781703956/ut...-lewdness-after-being-topless-in-her-own-home
 
The US is very weird. "We"(society) talk out of both sides of our mouths. At the same time broadcast TV shows are FULL of sex and sexual innuendo(all but showing nudity) and sexualization of even young kids and teenagers(do you want to talk about cable and streaming shows and what anyone with an internet connection can see?), BUT books full of laws(some that are just ridiculously interpreted) that are supposedly there to protect children and others from sexual crimes and the like. Do we also need to talk about how we simultaneously glorify (on TV and advertising and popular culture) and vilify alcohol, liquor and drinking? One hand is shaking its finger at everyone that its all bad and evil while the other hand is outstretched for the money from corporate America.
 
I was showing a few Soviet era films to a friend about a decade ago and, after watching a few of them, she asks, "Why is there a drinking scene every 20 minutes?" Well, that was reflective of the old Soviet way of life. But both nudity and foul language were generally prohibited. In that comedy "The Gentlemen of Fortune" that I linked, the writers had to invent their own prison slang because they would have had a silent movie otherwise.

PS. When I was in college in the early 1980's, my Russian professor asked me for a favor. It was to read through a real Soviet era prison slang that was compiled into a hand-written booklet. That was some filthy stuff. And, worse of all, I didn't understand about 70% of it.
 
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