You need one Hell of a computer for 1080

Green Hornet said:
Barry, keep me informed if YOU actually confirm ths can edit, and display 1080 footage with out dropping frames. If so, I may just jump ship to mac.
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I've already got the G5 dual, so I don't plan on doing much with the Mini. Maybe we can give it a try at NAB though; by then the new native/universal version of FCP should be out.
 
Gopher_Greene said:
Will all the programs I have now run on a mac? Specifically will dv Rack run on a mac and hopefully the upcoming HD Rack?
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No, not yet. The Intel Macs can't run Windows XP.

They could, however, likely run the forthcoming Windows Vista. So if DV Rack & HD Rack etc. work under Vista, they would probably also run on an Intel Mac, but you'd have to buy & install Windows Vista onto the IntelMac. Then you'd have a dual-boot system with two operating systems installed.
 
Zig_Zigman said:
Unfortunately, the new Mac Mini is using Intel Integrated Graphics.

Most loserish.

http://www.apple.com/macmini/

Did the previous version of Mac Mini have a graphics card?
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Apple Before:

Integrated Graphics
Nothing should get in the way of that creative flow, least of all the computer itself. You should only see your latest masterpiece, not the imperfections of technology. That’s why Apple engineers pay so much attention to graphics. Mac mini sports a full-fledged ATI Radeon 9200 with 32MB dedicated DDR SDRAM over an AGP 4x bus.

Go ahead, just try to play Halo on a budget PC. Most say they’re good for 2D games only. That’s because an “integrated Intel graphics” chip steals power from the CPU and siphons off memory from system-level RAM. You’d have to buy an extra card to get the graphics performance of Mac mini, and some cheaper PCs don’t even have an open slot to let you add one.
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Apple After:
Integrated Graphics

Mac mini features a graphics processor integrated into the system, and one that's no slouch, to boot. The Intel GMA950 graphics supports Tiger Core Graphics and the latest 3D games. It shares fast 667MHz memory4 with the Intel Core processor, for an incredible value proposition.
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I must say, apple has been walking an incredibly fine line. They sucessfully switched to the same hardware as the PC crowd, they now claim it's faster, and simultaneously are advertising their old harware as slower.

So... let me get this straight Intel > PowerPC > Intel.... right.

Now we can add:
Radeon > Integrated = blazing fast value?
 
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I have 3 HVX 200s at work. We edit with Canopus hardware and Edius 3.61. In my initial tests, 1080i, 720p, etc cuts like butter with real time effects and minimal render times. Download the demo version. If you like the way it edits DV, you'll love the way it edits HD.
If you are serious about edit systems for your new HVX, you should really check out NAB in Las Vegas. Go play with all the possibilities...then decide for yourself. Quick test at NAB. Ask the demo people at FCP and Edius to bring a single 5 minute clip to the time line and then start adding layers of effects like blur, film scratch, and color correction to the clip. From a performance standpoint, Edius is pretty amazing as you'll see.

jim
KRON-TV, San Francisco
 
JimJulian said:
I have 3 HVX 200s at work. We edit with Canopus hardware and Edius 3.61. In my initial tests, 1080i, 720p, etc cuts like butter with real time effects and minimal render times. Download the demo version. If you like the way it edits DV, you'll love the way it edits HD.
If you are serious about edit systems for your new HVX, you should really check out NAB in Las Vegas. Go play with all the possibilities...then decide for yourself. Quick test at NAB. Ask the demo people at FCP and Edius to bring a single 5 minute clip to the time line and then start adding layers of effects like blur, film scratch, and color correction to the clip. From a performance standpoint, Edius is pretty amazing as you'll see.

jim
KRON-TV, San Francisco
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What specific Canopus hardware are you using? I think a lot of us would like to hear how Edius performs on a non-hardware accelerated PC. I don't know if it is possible to test it without the hardware but it would sure come in handy to all of us.

Thanks!
 
compared to Black Magic?

compared to Black Magic?

JimJulian said:
Hey Ice,
Here is a link to the hardware we run on our dual xeons with 1 gig of ram and (2) 250 gig hard drive (non-raid) plus a 80 gig :c drive;
http://www.canopus.com/products/EDIUSNXforHDV/index.php

I have not tried to edit on a computer less than a dual. I suspect you'll need at least a dual something to be happy along with this hardware.:love4:

hope this helps,

jim
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:dankk2: but.....i see that it costs $1500....:violent5: yeah feeling ashy right now!

I almost saved up the bucks for an HVX PAL...I reckon I will be able to buy decent editing equipment a few months later...

Now, I'm a complete noob at this, don't know more about capture boards than that they relieve workload off the cpu in order to do real time editing...yet a few years ago, I was already told that systems are now fast enough to do these things with out dedicated hardware...any links for basic info on this?

How does the aforementioned Canopus product compare with the cheaper Blackmagic products like these? Or are they apples and polar bears?
http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/hd/

How does the $695 Black magic model compare with the 4:2:2 $995 model? For use with the HVX of course...

How does a Mac G5 Dual without a hardware card compare to a Xeon or Athlon X2 WITH a hardware card?

And last not but least, how does a chicken cross the road while live capturing HVX footage to a new Macbookpro 17" (to be released in june), editing in FCP universal on the fly at the same time? (extra bonus points if you can answer that last one!) :badputer:


Martin
 
The Intern said:
:dankk2: but.....i see that it costs $1500....:violent5: yeah feeling ashy right now!

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How does the $695 Black magic model compare with the 4:2:2 $995 model? For use with the HVX of course...


Martin
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The $695 has SDI out only....there is no provision for monitoring analog video from this card. So in short you would need a monitor that accepted an SDI input. I have been told these cost a lot! The $995 version has component analog outputs so you could connect it to any ol' Hi Def monitor that accepts component in.....which you will find a lot cheaper than SDI enabled monitors.

Someone else can comment on if it accelerates any actual processing....I was under the impressiion it was simply to get your video streaming out of your computer but I could be wrong. I really need to look into this more myself.
 
icicle22 said:
The $695 has SDI out only....there is no provision for monitoring analog video from this card. So in short you would need a monitor that accepted an SDI input. I have been told these cost a lot! The $995 version has component analog outputs so you could connect it to any ol' Hi Def monitor that accepts component in.....which you will find a lot cheaper than SDI enabled monitors.

Someone else can comment on if it accelerates any actual processing....I was under the impressiion it was simply to get your video streaming out of your computer but I could be wrong. I really need to look into this more myself.
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as icicle said the big dif there is the $995 card gives you analog out for SD & HD. that is the one i have installed in my dual xeon PremPro1.5 system now and it rocks. i use the component out to my dell 24" and it looks fantastic.

i do believe the decklink cards do a bit of video accel/processing. i've seen blackmagic touting their ability to do real time effects in DV if you are using their card. unfortunately as PC users of Decklink cards we seem to be gettting the short end of the stick. take for example their dual HS-SDI card, in a Mac system that card can do HD to SD downconverts for you. put that card in a PC and you loose that functionality. in addition their card will handle DVCProHD content just fine on a Mac system but no go on a PC using Premiere.

and I WOULD NOT recommend using Decklink with Vegas. Vegas only works with ancient 4.8.1 drivers for the Decklink cards. Decklink is now on 5.4.2, the 4.8.1 drivers are 10 months old now. and this is all Sony's fault. grrrr.

of coruse to get the real dirt just contact Blackmagic support on their website or over at their Creative Cow forum. they are excellent at getting back to you within 2 days if not sooner. unlike Sony or Adobe where you can wait weeks with no reply.
 
and to update on other my previous comment i finally installed Edius Broadcast on my dual xeon PC. i'm not using their hardware card, just the software. i seems to coexist nicely with my Decklink/PremPro1.5 setup. i can even have Edius and PremPro open at the same time.

i've only tested 720p footage so far. i work at an engineering company in boring-landscape-milpitas-land. it's been raining intermitently all week and i've been too busy working on reports for meetings to go out and shoot anything interesting.

in addition i'll have to eat my words on edius working on 1.4 Athlon or P3 700 because those were my home systems and both of them decided to go to the computer hospital this week. my athlon system is in a coma thinking that it keeps finding a new network card which seems to cause windows explorer to crash meaning you can't start any apps or even browse hard drive contents. and my P3 likes to turn itself off for no good reason. weeee. time for a new PC.

i will TRY to get Edius running on a single processor P4 3Ghz system at work next week to see if that will handle 1080p. try being the key word in that statement.
 
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