XL2/DVX short concept clip

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Do you have a DVX now? Getting an XL2 when you have a DVX is not a very big upgrade so why you would feel rushed to get it I don't know. The DVX is great and has great curves built in. The XL2 is great and has a higher res 16x9 and longer zoom. Buy the one that suits your needs. And you are right.....the 2 look the same so why get an XL2 over a dvx? The truth is you cannot see the clarity and benefits of a higher res 16x9 in a web sized sorenson quicktime. So the benefits of the XL2 are lost but on a high res monitor you can see a big difference.
 
STORYTELLER32 said:
My question has always been: Which video camera (in a consumer price range) will a majority of people mistake for film and give your project(s) a professional level production value ...
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Although I am a movie fanatic, and I've seen all kinds of film stocks and qualities from the 20's until recent times, it's always possible to pull some tricks out of the bag and make one media type appear like another, but it is never the same. I've used some of those plugins like FilmFX and Magic Bullet, but it never really fools anybody, even several novices that were in the same room.

This whole "filmic" debate is rather silly, since every clip of pre- or post-processed video I've seen still looks like video! That doesn't make it bad, it just will never be as aesthetically pleasing and organic as film, just like digital still cameras (even with a professional Leaf CCD system) don't look as good as 120mm or professional 35mm film.

Artistically shot video with good lighting, 24p, 16:9, color correction (or gamma curves), etc. is pleasant to watch. However, if we all really wanted the REAL film look we would just shoot film right? Obviously, if you're in this forum you chose to save the hassle and expense of film (yes, I've been there) to shoot stuff that is perfectly viable, but not the same as the original product.

I'm not going to pretend to replace a 12-person choir with an expensive Audioframe facsimile and tell you it's the same. That would be an insult to any reasonable person.

As many have said, content is king, and talent and/or perseverance will allow you to make the most out of any tool.

With all that in mind, the only works I've seen on this board recently that transcend the MiniDV format are disjecta's amazing nature scenes. Great quality stuff...
 
KingVidiot said:
With all that in mind, the only works I've seen on this board recently that transcend the MiniDV format are disjecta's amazing nature scenes. Great quality stuff...
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I agree. Disjectas stuff is amazing. But there is a level of CC that he uses and a really great uprezzing algorithm too. But you are right. His stuff is tight.
 
Check out Disjecta's most recent stuff that's uncorrected. Even before he starts correcting his work it looks amazing.
 
Isaac_Brody said:
Check out Disjecta's most recent stuff that's uncorrected. Even before he starts correcting his work it looks amazing.
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If you would kindly point me to it my good sir. I haven't seen any of his most recent stuff.
 
So, if you had to do it all over again, would you stay with the XL2? I've been torn between both these cameras and I'm leaning toward the DVX100b. Are you using different lenses with your XL2? Working on any projects right now?
 
In terms of raw image the XL2 gives much better 16x9 performance. I am primarily using the 16x manual lens with this unit and only occasionally using the 20x. The 20x images are amazing but the focusing design is weak and it is hard to tell when you are in focus for sure.

The 100B is on my short list. I am very interested in using it to cut with the XL2. I used vegas to uprez the LB footage from the DVX100 and it goes soft. I have never used a 100A so I am hoping the stretch mode of the A/B models is noticably better than the Vegas resize method.

My single biggest complaint about the XL2 is that it is not a very good low light camera.
When forced to shoot with "available" light it can get a little sketchy. The DVX however does a great job in darker areas.
 
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