Chayse_Irvin
Well-known member
Thought I might repost this so to give some life to the forum mb. I've done some more work on the Colours.
http://www.chayseirvin.com/video/loco.mov
http://www.chayseirvin.com/video/loco.mov
XL2 Camera test
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adamblakecarver
Member
I really like this. This video was the main factor in allowing me to bring the xl-2 into the race and convincing me to rent the camera before i decided to buy either it or the dvx-100a. I'll be purchasing the XL-2 in the next month! Great footage. I especially like the tracking shot at the beginning and your adjusted colors!
Wivellicious
Active member
Is there anything more to this? Is it a test for a short, or was it merely something fun to shoot?
I love the look, and even those few seconds made me wonder what a whole short would be like starring that guy.
Good work.
I love the look, and even those few seconds made me wonder what a whole short would be like starring that guy.
Good work.
Chayse_Irvin
Well-known member
It is a cam test to prep for a short film working on. Im hopeing to get a micro 35 adapter for it, so I will be running test when that comes in, and we will also running motion control and compositing tests.
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
Ecking
You are aware the beauty of this shot is from Chayse himself? This isn't a DVX / XL2 issue but the skills of Mr. Irwin.
You are aware the beauty of this shot is from Chayse himself? This isn't a DVX / XL2 issue but the skills of Mr. Irwin.
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
If aything this should remind Ecking to practice.
Chayse_Irvin
Well-known member
Honestly... DVX blows XL2 out of the water. XL2 is too dumbed down menu/image in-camera control wise, the manual zoom sucks, it doesn't have a LCD, its bulky, its too expensive and so are its accessory's... You could easily get this same image if not better out of the DVX. It was all Digital Colour grading in layers in FCP. Even did fake depth of field work with blurring effects.
Somehow I've been lucky enough to get trained to do digital colour grading using DaVinci 4k/2k at Rainmaker here in Vancouver, and I have also been lucky in the fact that I get free grip and lighting gear because work as a light repair guy at William f. Whites. I also work as a iaste lamp op on features in vancouver where I learnt how to hide lights and the power going to them. But my background and passion are cameras and in my opinion the DVX kills the XL2. I would get the DVX and a Guerilla35/Micro35/Mini35 system over a XL2 any day. When is that HVX coming out anyways... you guys should save up for that and the mini 35 + prime lens package.
Somehow I've been lucky enough to get trained to do digital colour grading using DaVinci 4k/2k at Rainmaker here in Vancouver, and I have also been lucky in the fact that I get free grip and lighting gear because work as a light repair guy at William f. Whites. I also work as a iaste lamp op on features in vancouver where I learnt how to hide lights and the power going to them. But my background and passion are cameras and in my opinion the DVX kills the XL2. I would get the DVX and a Guerilla35/Micro35/Mini35 system over a XL2 any day. When is that HVX coming out anyways... you guys should save up for that and the mini 35 + prime lens package.
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
We need to get you and Ash in the same thread (Check the XL2 Main thread). That would be a nice debate!
People are never objective in general, even when something shot on the camera they are not a fanboy of looks good, they have to find some reason to rip it up. If you think DVX blows away the XL2 you are merely ignorant, surprising given your skill and general knowledge. Why dont you just say you like it better? Blows it away? PSH!
ash =o)
ash =o)
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
Heh heh heh heh
Predicatable response Ash
Look man. You're running around pointing fingers and screaming "Fanboy Fanboy Fanboy!" when as I already stated "Don't be bitter because we choose the DVX."
Now you're calling out 'Ignorant!' because someone has an opinion that is contradciting your own?
For many of us the DVX100 does 'blow away' the XL2. Let me repeat and rephrase for your graspage:
For many of us, given our needs and particular desires the DVX100 blows the piss out of the Canon XL2. It blows it to another planet in most respects. For us, Ash. It is merely our opinion. For many of us the opinion we carry is that we would not fathom using the XL2; for our needs.
Don't take it so personal. It's a machine. It's a tool. Ford/Chevy, Mac/PC, Black & Decker/Stanley........
The DVX Kills the XL2. To me. To some other's it's the XL2 that is the bomb. Who cares? It's an opinion. Please don't resort to yelling "Fanboy's!" and "Ignorant!" when there really isn't a need to. You're the one that sound's like your on the Crusade.
Choose the camera that is best for you and be happy with it.
Predicatable response Ash
Look man. You're running around pointing fingers and screaming "Fanboy Fanboy Fanboy!" when as I already stated "Don't be bitter because we choose the DVX."
Now you're calling out 'Ignorant!' because someone has an opinion that is contradciting your own?
For many of us the DVX100 does 'blow away' the XL2. Let me repeat and rephrase for your graspage:
For many of us, given our needs and particular desires the DVX100 blows the piss out of the Canon XL2. It blows it to another planet in most respects. For us, Ash. It is merely our opinion. For many of us the opinion we carry is that we would not fathom using the XL2; for our needs.
Don't take it so personal. It's a machine. It's a tool. Ford/Chevy, Mac/PC, Black & Decker/Stanley........
The DVX Kills the XL2. To me. To some other's it's the XL2 that is the bomb. Who cares? It's an opinion. Please don't resort to yelling "Fanboy's!" and "Ignorant!" when there really isn't a need to. You're the one that sound's like your on the Crusade.
Choose the camera that is best for you and be happy with it.
Jay Rodriguez
Coffee Member
Wow, that small clip is powerful in many ways! I love the look that you birthed and the music with it is fantastic. Lighting IMO is 100% excellent.
Creatively, I think it would of been so freaking cool if at the end during your dolly pull out (is that how you say it?) you revealed someone tied up in a chair to his right. But overall, wow!
Creatively, I think it would of been so freaking cool if at the end during your dolly pull out (is that how you say it?) you revealed someone tied up in a chair to his right. But overall, wow!
Jay Rodriguez
Coffee Member
oh and as for the XL2/DVX battles, I love the DXV but the XL2 was my first love..... 
Well, I use both, and objectively, they each have their good point and bad. I just hear DVX users all the time saying things that make no sense. If you want a small camera, that is great but just because a camera is bigger doesnt mean it sucks, I mean, does the SDX900 suck?
I have no problem with someone saying something is better for their own needs but this often is not the case, when someone says "XL2 or DVX" you generally have post like "DVX OWNZ" "XL2 SUX" "DVX IS THS SHIZZ"
When I say ignorant, I dont mean stupid and I am not insulting anyone. It is a matter of fact that most people disparaging the Canon XL series have either NEVER used it or used it so little, they were not able to form a legitimate opinion of its capabilities.
The DVX is wonderful in that regard, within a few hours of use you can get most the benefit of the camera. It then adds custom controls that can grow with the operator. There are no training wheels on the XL2 and people who fall off on the first few rides, should not dismiss it so quick....
ash =o)
I have no problem with someone saying something is better for their own needs but this often is not the case, when someone says "XL2 or DVX" you generally have post like "DVX OWNZ" "XL2 SUX" "DVX IS THS SHIZZ"
When I say ignorant, I dont mean stupid and I am not insulting anyone. It is a matter of fact that most people disparaging the Canon XL series have either NEVER used it or used it so little, they were not able to form a legitimate opinion of its capabilities.
The DVX is wonderful in that regard, within a few hours of use you can get most the benefit of the camera. It then adds custom controls that can grow with the operator. There are no training wheels on the XL2 and people who fall off on the first few rides, should not dismiss it so quick....
ash =o)
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
"DVX IS THE SHIZZZ" L M A O . That's funny.
"Within a few hours you can get most of the benefits from the DVX?" Let's not confuse the young-uns less they assume its a plug and play camera. I personally have never used the XL2 but having more 'nobs and buttons and things' doesnt automatically make it 'cooler and more pro'. I dont recall any training wheels on the DVX when I opened the box for the first time.
I'm thinking it's a wonderful thing the DVX100 has the Voodoo built in. Let's all think about it; its from the makers of the Varicam and the SDX900; heeellloooooooo?
Honestly I am still waiting for that Magic XL2 footage. One thing I do see alot of is people saying "It's a cool camera that does the trick.." but someone, somewhere please show me some footage. It has its uses for sure; but I have YET to see footage that blows me away. Someone show me it please?!
I dont know about being bigger. I wish I could use my DVX shoulder style personally.
"Within a few hours you can get most of the benefits from the DVX?" Let's not confuse the young-uns less they assume its a plug and play camera. I personally have never used the XL2 but having more 'nobs and buttons and things' doesnt automatically make it 'cooler and more pro'. I dont recall any training wheels on the DVX when I opened the box for the first time.
I'm thinking it's a wonderful thing the DVX100 has the Voodoo built in. Let's all think about it; its from the makers of the Varicam and the SDX900; heeellloooooooo?
Honestly I am still waiting for that Magic XL2 footage. One thing I do see alot of is people saying "It's a cool camera that does the trick.." but someone, somewhere please show me some footage. It has its uses for sure; but I have YET to see footage that blows me away. Someone show me it please?!
I dont know about being bigger. I wish I could use my DVX shoulder style personally.
disjecta
Lucky Duck
Man, my heart just starts pumping at an unbelieveable clip when Hudson gets going. I love it 
I prefer the DVX because it has more of an organic feel to it (typical of film) than the XL2 which looks much more like digital to me.
The best example of XL2 footage is right on this forum, the cleverly named thread "Homage to Disjecta"... as it so happens.
I prefer the DVX because it has more of an organic feel to it (typical of film) than the XL2 which looks much more like digital to me.
The best example of XL2 footage is right on this forum, the cleverly named thread "Homage to Disjecta"... as it so happens.
Ash, I hope you post a little of the 5000 hours of dv you've shot. I have to admit that imagewise I'm pretty biased for the dvx. Perhaps that's because I haven't seen any footage from the XL2 that absolutely blew me away.
I think the best way to "objectively" convince people is to put up the footage that will blow the dvx away, or at least shutup the fanboys. If you can do that...:beer:
People keep saying that they can replicate the dvx look in post, but no one ever backs up that statement with footage. C'mon Xl2 people, post some stuff.
I think the best way to "objectively" convince people is to put up the footage that will blow the dvx away, or at least shutup the fanboys. If you can do that...:beer:
People keep saying that they can replicate the dvx look in post, but no one ever backs up that statement with footage. C'mon Xl2 people, post some stuff.