X-Men 3

Dude, why are you taking this so personally?

All people are saying is that if you adapt something for the screen, you owe the original source material some respect. Obviously, a movie is a different medium, but that's not a license to simply change anything you like (though it's been treated that way many times, usually to utter failure).
 
The horse is dead. Leave the film to the shelves of Blockbuster. I'm sad for my childhood. One day, fate and time and work willing, there will be another X-men film that doesn't make us all sick. Until them let it pass and watch the cartoon. I hear it is out on DVD.
 
Dude, why are you taking this so personally?
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i'm not, but someone posts saying the writers changed...i correct that...and i'm taking it personally...that's funny.

i'm not trying to be right, but all of you throwing the movie at ratner when the producers have the final word. what is that about? i guess producers mean nothing to you.
 
Ought2bCommitted said:
SPZ said:
I don't care who directed any of these movies. These are popcorn movies, and sincerely, in a directing standpoint, all of them don't have any distinct "personality"- they could have been shot by anyone out there. The Da Vinci Code, with its average storyline, had at least the look and feel of a Howard movie.
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While I enjoyed X 1 & 2 I thought X-3 was a weak sub-par entry to the series, and a sorry send off if it is going to be merely a trilogy.

Popcorn movie, yea sure. It's an action summer movie series. Directors don't matter? I have to disagree. Ratner did his best to imitate the look and feel of Singer's X Men movies and failed miserably. It was a cheap imitation at best. Even with a popcorn flick the director matters and frankly I think X 1 and 2 had a vibe and style their own and I attribute much of that to Singer.

Funny you should even mention the Da Vinci Code. Talk about director not mattering.

At least X-3 didn't put me to sleep, but it also pissed me off.
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I didn't see the movie, only the trailer and frankly this is the kind of movie that I will see ONLY if for some reason I was paid to watch it (I'm speaking seriously 'cause I have the possibility to follow all the theatrical releases without to contribute for the box-office and this is the kind of movies that I'm avoiding as always as possible). Although my education basis is the film directing and my job too. However, I must add that if this one particular example or any other it may be a masterpiece (why not?), I follow the wise words of SPZ. What he wanted to say that is so simple than that:

NEVER is possible to compare a director of one of these blockbusters with the uncomparable... filmmakers like Michelangelo Antonioni, Krzysztof Kieslowski, Lars von Trier, Wong Kar-Wai and a few others...americans as well, like David Lynch. Hollywood wouldn't allow...
 
I wonder, and I'm sure I always will, why producers, directors, investor, writers and all that folk can't simply stick with the idea that made it to their desks. There is enough drive from the public to inspire the project. The public has a demand. They demand something simple. "Please forfill a small dream for us. Make one of our favorite stories into a movie." If you make the movie, the public will come to see it and spend their money. Movies like X-men WILL make millions upon millions of dollars. The studios will always come out ahead. The story is done, hell if you want to get down to it, the storyboards are done. All they need to do is make the movie.
Give back to the public...because the public paid for your big ass house and your bad ass car and your fat ass super-model girl friend.
We have been betrayed on our dreams over and over. And we sit here and ***** at each other over it.
Is there anyone out there who hasn't felt betrayed by this and other superhero movies?
My big question is why f@#k up a good thing just because you can, or just because you think it will be more appealing if it was written different.
It was the stories and the characters that brought this story in to the hearts of people. There is no need for it. The money will get made. Make a classic, not just more shite. Say what you like, but the first Superman and Batman Begins got it right and you see how much praise those two films get.
 
Any one who enjoyed being a kid. I'd say anyone who was born in the 60's, 70's, 80's, or 90's that had any connections to TV or comic books. I'm not just talking about comic book nerd. Everybody watch the X-men cartoon or the Spider-man cartoon at one point in time.
 
I didn't like this one at all but then i haven't liked any of the X men movies. I just don't like the style Singer chose to tell the stories.

But with this one I was happy to see them taking risks and all but then they undo everything they did by the end of the movie. What was the point of killing Xavier or taking away Magneto's power? It angered me.

On a whole I have to agree with Emmanuel (by the way buddy i think your English is getting much better congrats) but i don't blame the story for that just the studios.

I've been reading Xmen for a long time (and quite frankly don't like alot of the Chris Claremont stories that other X fans adore) and i think the best work that was done on X men was during the Grant Morrison New X men run. His stories were original, well thought out, bold, daring, poignant, and above all epic. In that 40 issue run is an AMAZING trilogy.

In the right hands you'd have a thought provoking action packed series with the potential to rival or even surpass LOTR or Star Wars. And i mean that as a fan of film and not just as a begrudged fan of these characters.
 
ah geez and i like claremont...however matthew b. moore i believe you've found my point. have you noticed in the past few years producers/production companies are starting to involve the writers more into the actual production...having them on set? heck i've got a couple of DVDs where the writers have commentaries.

I doubt donner really cared about staying true to the books. the bottom line is profit.
 
Matthew B. Moore said:
Any one who enjoyed being a kid. I'd say anyone who was born in the 60's, 70's, 80's, or 90's that had any connections to TV or comic books. I'm not just talking about comic book nerd. Everybody watch the X-men cartoon or the Spider-man cartoon at one point in time.
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maybe. anyway, I have never heard about x-men, since the first movie. I blame the iron curtain...
 
Emanuel said:
I didn't see the movie, only the trailer and frankly this is the kind of movie that I will see ONLY if for some reason I was paid to watch it (I'm speaking seriously 'cause I have the possibility to follow all the theatrical releases without to contribute for the box-office and this is the kind of movies that I'm avoiding as always as possible). Although my education basis is the film directing and my job too. However, I must add that if this one particular example or any other it may be a masterpiece (why not?), I follow the wise words of SPZ. What he wanted to say that is so simple than that:

NEVER is possible to compare a director of one of these blockbusters with the uncomparable... filmmakers like Michelangelo Antonioni, Krzysztof Kieslowski, Lars von Trier, Wong Kar-Wai and a few others...americans as well, like David Lynch. Hollywood wouldn't allow...
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well well said
 
ah gambit...i'd have to find the interview, but in X2 they were going to use gambit, but felt the character persona was too much like wolverine so they axed the idea.
 
I just got back from viewing X3...and my first impressions are, I HATED IT.

Sorry if this has all been said but I have avoided these posts till I saw the movie.


****SPOILERS*****

I probably just need to cool off, but SERIOUSLY!

Kill off Cyclops, kill off Xavier (the movie was pretty much over for me after that...I will get to the mutant "revivals" down further), kill Mystique, kill Rogue, kill Jean Grey and kill Magneto! WHAT?

And the reveal at the end with Magneto (which him getting his powers back is then linked to all mutants who took the serum) and Xaviers body switch is in my opinion, was Ratner covering his butt so just in case you hated the decisions made then you might like the movie after all. Well it didn't work for me.

My friend is upset because they were SO off base from the comics and I just regarded the movies as standalone flicks feeding from the comics. But give me a break. I wonder if Marvel just blindly signs a contract.

6 X-Men vs. several hundred Brotherhood. You do the math.

I did enjoy the war room practice with the sentinal BUT the question I ask is, how do they even know what a sentinal is???

Stan Lee is probably rolling in his grave (sarcasm). After I cool down things might come better into perspective. Don't get me wrong, I loved the first 2 movies (and the comics/cartoon/video game/etc), but yeah. Sorry if to offend huge fans of this one but really.

Speechless.
 
6 X-Men vs. several hundred Brotherhood. You do the math.
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seriously that happened in the comic books as well...they were always the underdog.

I did enjoy the war room practice with the sentinal BUT the question I ask is, how do they even know what a sentinal is???
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how do you know they hadn't seen the sentinels? just because the several events in the comic books haven't been explicitly spelled out in the movies doesn't mean they haven't happened...i haven't seen mention of Havok doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

what will follow are several people supporting your viewpoint of which i have no real problem with. i find amazing that no one has even stated that hank mccoy went from human to furball with no explanation. i don't need one, but that is quite noticeable for those watching the movies.

zak penn and simon kinberg were the writers with zak penn being one of the writers of X2...ratner just directed it. ratner didn't have control or at least the input that singer did. singer was also a writer on X2. so putting the story and whatnot on ratner isn't totally accurate. he just gave us the "vision" of the story that was created by the writers and paid for by the producers.
 
novelt said:
seriously that happened in the comic books as well...they were always the underdog.
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Good point, good point about the 6 on brotherhood.

About the sentinals, just a thought I had that's all.

I think I have calmed down and ideas/thoughts are more rationally working.
 
About the sentinals, just a thought I had that's all.
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are you kidding i saw the trailer and thought they were going to be fighting the sentinels...i was quite stoked, but alas seeing the danger room in action was good.

and i realy don't think this is the last one...obviously the set up...well maybe not obvious...but to keep the series going they'd have to bring in new villains and it's up to patrick stewart how much more he wants to do professor x. granted the mutantx cure is hinted at as being short lived besides if they were really going to stay true to the books...rogue needs to fly. :thumbsup:
 
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