Wow! Finally compared my new Canon T2i (550D) to my Canon HV20 Camcorders! Holy Crap!

J Davis, I have been lurking here for the best part of a year, and this is the first time I have ever seen you be rude. Not just rude, but very very rude.

You have a technical point, but you did not say it was a technical point until later. I repeat, it is a technical point. I personally just got a 550D and rig for 100% chromakeying. I chose it above the competition after a years worth of comparisons and tests. It is the best tool for the job at the price point at this time or MY chromakey needs.

You see, I know you plan your production around your limitations. I see every tool as having limitations in chromakey at this time. Even professionally scanned 35mm film footage. So I designed an entire production to limit the frailties in keying at this time. This means that the 550D gives a better result for my production than Kodachrome stock.

I started in TV production back when meer mortals could only work on first generation Amigas. In the late 80's I was producing 2D cell and 3D animation off an Amiga, and dealing with limitations like 32 colours from a palette of 4096 (thankfully on a per frame basis as the Amiga was the only machine to ever be able to palette flip). Maybe if I started off on Quantel boxes, Cray renderers and Kodachrome stock then I may have not learned to live with limitations, but since this is not redoneuser.com, I assume it is best if everyone is helped to overcome and live within the boundaries of the current consumer equipment.
 
I went back and read J Davis' posts in this thread and have no idea how you came up with him being rude...he's just offering his oppinion. I take people's advice here under consideration but in the end it's my own experiences and work-arounds that matter. I've chroma-keyed fine with the 7D but I'm sure other cameras probably are better at this. The bottom line is anything I've tried to key out worked and maybe I had to put more effort into it but it was doable.

Edit: I would imagine the GH1 with the new hack might be better for keying than the 550D/7D
 
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bunny said:
J Davis, I have been lurking here for the best part of a year, and this is the first time I have ever seen you be rude. Not just rude, but very very rude.
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where?

sorry if anyone interpreted any of my posts as rude ... not intended
sometimes I type fast and to the point because time is optimum and not enuff of it
but I like this forum

boulder said:
I went back and read J Davis' posts in this thread and have no idea how you came up with him being rude...he's just offering his oppinion.
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+1
Thanks!

Of note:
anyone shooting chroma keys with dslr, shallow dof is your enemy, you want to stop that lens down with lots and lots of light to get the edge of your subject very sharp
use soft lights on the green screen to get even color.
If possible use dof so the green screen itself is out of focus but your subject remains with a sharp edge this will help even out any wrinkles in green material.

all dslr's so far are shooting with h264 codec, even AVCHD and gh13, but bitrate helps.
Soft edges including motion blur from moving subjects will contribute to screwing up your key thanks to h264 macro blocking.
I'm currently keying 165 clips from music vid all from 7d. Wish we had shot with ex1. (or hv40 ! :))
 
He was curt and nonforthcoming with information at least, but the way he rounded on aituv after aituv gave his very honest and true observation about there being a BIG difference between theoretical and practice I have to classify as incredibly rude.

It would have been far more polite to expand on his statements after stating that "under some situations, h264 can cause problems with chromakeying". Instead he made his statement absolute and gave the impression that under EVERY situation, the h264 of the t2i is inferior to the DV of the HV20. This is not the case, and for my own situation, I find the colour accuracy of H264 from the t2i to be more stable and accurate than the DV from any other system. In fact it has an edge in colour accuracy over film stock in the tests I have done (results may vary for others with different lighting/software/conditions).

J Davis comes across as someone who has decided what works for him and refuses to accept that there are situations that other people have in similar circumstances where a different workflow and different equipment work better. It is great that he has equipment and workflow that works or him, but I know I would not work with the same equipment with my workflow, or for the result I require for the production I am working on.
 
slow to give AND to take offense... people need to relax a bit... not take every little comment on the internet so seriously....

If someone has an issue with a particular post, please feel free to use the report post button and state why, so that a mod can look into it... (as opposed to derailing threads with such stuff)

For now, lets get back on point... last couple of days have been a bit off around here... everyone relax a little and give each other some slack...
 
bunny said:
I find the colour accuracy of H264 from the t2i to be more stable and accurate than the DV from any other system. In fact it has an edge in colour accuracy over film stock in the tests I have done (results may vary for others with different lighting/software/conditions).
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good luck with that

bunny said:
J Davis comes across as someone who has decided what works for him and refuses to accept that there are situations that other people have in similar circumstances where a different workflow and different equipment work better.
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lol
that's what my mamma always was saying
 
some dslr eye-candy to lighten the mood, no not a chromakey but from the same music video job
7d + ais

:)

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it's very easy to mistake people being forceful in their opinions as being rude....is the hv20 better at keying that a Canon DSLR...not in my experience, but we all have different results in these things.

I have recently come off shooting a big budget Lucasfilm project with the Canons and ILMs work with the green and blue screen has been stellar
 
philip bloom said:
it's very easy to mistake people being forceful in their opinions as being rude....is the hv20 better at keying that a Canon DSLR...not in my experience, but we all have different results in these things.

I have recently come off shooting a big budget Lucasfilm project with the Canons and ILMs work with the green and blue screen has been stellar
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Nice to see the man himself reply to my thread! I'm honored! hehe. Your videos are a big part of what sold me on the DSLRs.

I can't wait to try shooting some green screen work with the T2i. I'll try with the HV20 as well.

BTW, I can't put my T2i footage in Vegas Pro 9 64-bit (which I love for the great control over image compared to Premiere Pro CS5). It says I need the Quicktime plugin and unfortunately anytime I download Quicktime I get an error 46 trying to open the player....none of the fixes have worked, so I just cannot used Quicktime 7+ on my Windows 7 Quadcore computer, apparently. :(

What should I use to convert the file and what should I convert to for Vegas Pro 9?

Thanks!
 
Here's a couple of my early shots with the T2i (Downrezzed) of my HD DLP projector's image. Besides the projector light the 40 or 60-watt lamp shooting against the wall is the only light source in the room. This is with the kit lens. It was white balanced for the image on the screen, of course...which is different than the light on the side.

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