Worst Film I've ever seen in my life. Shot on RED.

Jawa Ex Machina said:
Another thing, this sort of film is the reason you should go to film school.
If you're young, and you have that fear a lot of young inexperienced people have that film school will kill your creativity by brain washing you into conformity - take a good long look at this film. This is why you should go to film school.

The conformity you fear is called craft and technique. It's image composition and story telling structure and if you don't know that stuff the result of your efforts won't be what you want them to be. If you purposely avoid them because you want to go against the current (together with thousands of other people who also purposely go against the current and avoid basic image composition and story structure knowledge) you will end up with something possibly not unlike this.

That's what this is. Forget calling it "bad" just because you don't like it. See it for what it is, it's poor craft.
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excellent point.

In my opinion, you must master your craft before you transcend into groundbreaking or non-traditional methods. Look at Picasso. Before he did his cubism/abstractions, he was trained to be, and was, one of the best illustrators/painters, in a traditional sense, of the time. He could paint as well or better than many of the best painters of the time. It was only after his mastery he transcended to abstraction. I think that is true for most artistic endeavors. You must first understand the rules before you can successfully break them.
 
Ryan Patrick O'Hara said:
excellent point.

In my opinion, you must master your craft before you transcend into groundbreaking or non-traditional methods. Look at Picasso. Before he did his cubism/abstractions, he was trained to be, and was, one of the best illustrators/painters, in a traditional sense, of the time. He could paint as well or better than many of the best painters of the time. It was only after his mastery he transcended to abstraction. I think that is true for most artistic endeavors. You must first understand the rules before you can successfully break them.
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Yeah, it's one of the things which chaps me when people insist that there are no rules to the craft, as though you can and should start out ignoring them.
 
David Jimerson said:
Zsigmond's. He's got nothing to be embarrassed by there. It's a silly movie, but the cinematography is on par with the times, maybe a little ahead of it.
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Oh yeah, but the point I was making is that even a bad film can be a learning experience. Lord knows I have had my share.

BTW, I checked a little closer and Zsigmond was actually the camera operator (As William Zsigmond), not the DP, who was Joseph V. Mascelli. László Kovács (As Leslie Kovacs) was the AC.

I second Jawa Ex Machina on learning the basics even if not in film school, but you have to know the basic rules before you can break them.
 
Joseph V. Mascelli

he did something.... maybe a Cinemtographers manual or editor of AC... Something... so familiar.

EDIT: Five C's of Cinematography! I knew it was a book I've read.
 
It's very true that you have to learn the rules to know which ones you can break and why you're breaking them.
 
j1clark@ucsd.edu said:
Personally I liked the bellydancer sequence...
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What was that directors name again that did the 60's low budget big-boobs B movies? I know you know who I mean.

//edit: I'll know it when I hear it. He was pretty famous for those.
In the meantime, here's some classics that might jar someones memory. lol.

http://tdylf.com/2013/01/10/the-20-best-uses-of-boobs-in-60s-movie-posters/

edit:// Ohhhh, Russ Meyer. It was right there in my post. (Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill! (1965)) Darn.
 
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Gord.T said:
What was that directors name again that did the 60's low budget big-boobs B movies? I know you know who I mean.

//edit: I'll know it when I hear it. He was pretty famous for those.
In the meantime, here's some classics that might jar someones memory. lol.

http://tdylf.com/2013/01/10/the-20-best-uses-of-boobs-in-60s-movie-posters/

edit:// Ohhhh, Russ Meyer. It was right there in my post. (Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill! (1965)) Darn.
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Russ Meyers is Da Man!!! I have a copy of "Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill!", it is pretty wild. However, for pure freak show Kitsch, it is hard to beat "Beyond The Valley of The Dolls".... WOW!. It is my understanding that "Beyond The Valley of The Dolls" was a huge hit for Twentieth Century Fox Film, and help save them from bankruptcy with the over spending they did on multiple films in that time.

There is a quote attributed to Russ Meyer in the extras on the "Beyond The Valley of The Dolls" DVD where he was asked, "Where do you find those girls?" He supposedly said, "After a certain cup size... They find me!". Ya gotta love it.
 
Gary Huff said:
35 takes and not in a single one did they bother to fix the god-awful headroom.
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This is what I noticed first off...the kitchen was way too cramped, then I was pondering someone's earlier question: Why does the camera look so bad? Well, the footage is clear, there is no noise, so.....1.) the lighting is just so plain, no shape to it. 2.) The color looks like what would come stock out of any video camera...no mood to that either.
Those composition issues would look odd no matter what camera they shot on.
This film DOES serve a purpose though. 100 things NOT to do. It starts RIGHT at the beginning with the clock...I almost didn't make it past that.
 
David G. Smith said:
Russ Meyers is Da Man!!! I have a copy of "Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill!", it is pretty wild.
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I've seen this movie only because it had a Triumph TR3, which I'm a big fan of. Came across it and just started to watch it. Pretty funny movie. I like to pretend that is how life really was in the 1960's. Hahah, I actually have a TR4. Completely different looking car but made right after these beautiful cars.

The Tr3 gets the least amount of screen time! It's the one with the cut-out doors.
 
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Here's the original thread of the director looking for a belly dancer for the film!

http://www.bhuz.com/business-belly-dance/48499-ooohh-belly-dancer-syfy-movie-how-much.html

I just got this email today and it looks like something I'd do for the fun of it. I'd have to make sure it's actually a syfy movie but the guy seems to know what he's talking about:

Hello-

My name is Steven Sandt. I am an independent motion picture producer. To verify this you can log onto IMDB.com and type in my name (Steven A. Sandt) and it will bring up the name of a picture I did in the year 2000. You can also go online and type the following web address: atprodco.com . I'm now working on a sci fi picture in which there is a cafe/bar scene which features a belly dancer. My wife (of 38 years) and I live in Covina. I saw your bio listed on PinkGypsy.com . Your physical appearance is suitable for the dancer I'm looking for. I'm looking for a dancer who can dance in an Egyptian or Turkish style of belly dance. The shoot would not take more than 2 hours. It would be shot in front of a green screen (for digital compositing). The picture is non-union and does not have a large budget. I would like to know what you would charge for two hours of your time (in Covina). If we can arrive at an agreeable amount I will also include you in the profit sharing for the picture with one point (1%) of the profits for your work. You would have to sign the usual contract which allows me to use the footage in my picture and also sign the profit participation contract. If you are interested, please reply to this email (actually please let me know either way so I will know you got this email).

Thanks,

Steven Sandt

I live in Covina, so it's not big travel for me, my question is how much do I charge for 2 hours?
Any help or advice ( I love bhuz) would be greatly appreciated.
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Ryan Patrick O'Hara said:
I've seen this movie only because it had a Triumph TR3, which I'm a big fan of. Came across it and just started to watch it. Pretty funny movie. I like to pretend that is how life really was in the 1960's. Hahah, I actually have a TR4. Completely different looking car but made right after these beautiful cars.

The Tr3 gets the least amount of screen time! It's the one with the cut-out doors.
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I was looking to find and watch "Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill!" ever since I heard samples of the dialog used on the White Zombie album "La Sexorcisto: Devil Music, Vol. 1". The movie was rare and expensive. I found a VHS copy in a Tower Records once for $89.00! And that was $89 bucks in back in the day bucks! For VHS! Needless to say I never picked it up on tape. I did buy it a few years back on DVD, and even then it was relatively expensive for a DVD. I like the film. it is one of those films that is absolutely unapologetic about being what it is is what it is. I have great admiration for Russ Meyer. I don't really care that much for the rest of what he has made, but I really, really admire how he did it. He was a pure guerrilla total filmmaker, and, from my understanding, a pretty decent photographer and cinematographer. You gotta give the guy credit for doing things his way, well enough to have fellers like us still talking about him forty years hence.


And yeah, the TR3 is sweet.
 
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I'm a big Russ Meyer fan. Loved Faster Pussycat. Some of the others are fun to watch but not as good. Beyond the Valley of the Dolls is freakadelic. What happened to film makers? We don't get many gems like these now. I also tell every film maker to see Pink Flamingos at least once. Gotta love John Waters.
 
Gillvane said:
I'm a big Russ Meyer fan. Loved Faster Pussycat. Some of the others are fun to watch but not as good. Beyond the Valley of the Dolls is freakadelic. What happened to film makers? We don't get many gems like these now. I also tell every film maker to see Pink Flamingos at least once. Gotta love John Waters.
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I have wondered about that for a long time. Where are today's counter-culture filmmakers? With the amazing relatively low cost media making tools available now, where are the alternative voices? Where are the filmmakers with the balls to point a camera out our society and say something about it? Why is it that so many low budget filmmakers now a days only want to make movies about zombies, hit men and time machines? I don't get it... $3500 and a RED camera, and that is what you want to make?
 
David G. Smith said:
Where are the filmmakers with the balls to point a camera out our society and say something about it? Why is it that so many low budget filmmakers now a days only want to make movies about zombies, hit men and time machines?
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Because doing so takes some modicum of talent, both in either crafting such a screenplay, or having enough taste to recognize it in some other writer's hands. Then you have to have actors, and decent ones at the minimum if you want it to shine through. Poor/amateurish acting with a "heady" script is a recipe for disaster.

Zombies, hit men, time machines, ect. the "staple" as it were of these kinds of film, are usually forgiven if their acting is laughable or the plot doesn't make sense. People go to see something gross, maybe have a good scare or two, but an otherwise forgettable film a day later. Thus, you don't have to do such due diligence as writing/tracking down a good script, hitting the pavement to go convince people with money that you have a good script and that you are dedicate/competent enough to see it through to a finished product, hiring people to help you create this project, and then going out and shooting it.

No, that's much too hard. Better off to pick a "safe" genre where **** is passable and just con some people into giving you their valuable time while you flounder about making a film and maxing out a couple of credit cards because, hey, you're well on your way to millionaire-city just by putting together something, right? You can pay off all of that when you make your first million, then it's all easy sailin'.
 
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