Wobbly image?

I'd like to get my hands on one to make sure how things go. But this is kind of hard because it's basically a consumer camera...not many rental houses should have (if any).
 
I haven't been around the forums lately because I've been busy, but the helicopter footage I've seen at hv20.com seemed to me to be "beyond salvation". It's too bad, because I've seen some spectacular stuff shot with this little camera and I was really planning to buy one in the future. I think it would be an amazing B cam with my A1...or even an A cam for extreme shots, travel, and other situations where a smaller portable camera would be required.
 
rawfa said:
What I find weird about all of this is that I've seen many examples of shots done in the same circumstances that do not display the wobble distortion at all. I really don't know what to make of it. Until this wobble thing showed up I was like "wow! look at what this little camera can do! I've got to get me one of these!". Now I'm afraid I might end up with rubber band footage.
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Exactly my sentiments. There seems to be no objective explanation that fits all cases. It just seems to happen sometimes, and not at others. Strange indeed.
 
The rubber band effect seems much more pronounced on 24p footage; maybe that's why you're seeing some clips that exhibit it and some that don't? Maybe the "don't" clips were 60i?
 
I just got done reading through this and freaked out....So i went to go test my footage on NTSC 24p mode with 60 in shutter priority.

This is me walking with the camera on a $25 tripod. It shows some small panning distortion with the lines, but other than that, nothing as horrible as i have seen posted.

There are a lot of banding lines (but i could swear that the footage didnt do that in Premire pro 2, it might be some compression thing)
There is also noticable wave distoration around the edges of door and wall, but you cant see it if you arent looking for it.

http://www.stickypod.com/videos/data/597/steady_test.mov

I guess use what you can and work around the problem. Take for example...I can make a video game crash, or reproduce a windows crash on my computer, but that doesnt mean i should keep doing it, I can just work around it, and avoid the problem. I think everyone is in a "oh my god, my camera is broken, let me go see how bad i can make my footage look"-kind of mode. The camera still rocks in my eyes, and i never shoot wide open, because im using the brevis..
 
There are apparently ways to work around it. Put the HV20 on a commercial stabilizer like a Merlin and it will do great. It seems to do fine stabilized by a tripod even. But I just think it's a little far-fetched since this camera is aimed at the consumers who wants to shoot their kids' birthday, holidays and stuff.

Don't get me wrong, as a prosumer I would gladly just stabilize it with a tripod but as a consumer I personally don't see why I should spend those money on a handycam that doesn't work well as a HANDYcam.

My .02
 
most people will probably never use the 24p. It will be 1080i/60 all the way.

It will just be a effect that most people won't care about.
 
Norbert said:
There are apparently ways to work around it. Put the HV20 on a commercial stabilizer like a Merlin and it will do great. It seems to do fine stabilized by a tripod even. But I just think it's a little far-fetched since this camera is aimed at the consumers who wants to shoot their kids' birthday, holidays and stuff.

Don't get me wrong, as a prosumer I would gladly just stabilize it with a tripod but as a consumer I personally don't see why I should spend those money on a handycam that doesn't work well as a HANDYcam.

My .02
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Couldn't agree more. I really wish canon would take a closer look at this.
 
How about somebody will take this problem and speak with canon? I would have done it, if i had one and could expalin the real thing. I don't think i'm to sure about everyting with the problem with the canon Hv20. Somebody how know the problem for sure, and have the camera should call canon..
 
Emanuel said:
Thanks Jason for your contribution here. If Barry is the Pana guru, you are the 2K one (your SI/Cineform camera rocks -- I've seen the clips and you have there a quite achievement, Congrats and Kudos) and you can have something to tell considering your experience with the CMOS technology.

A few minutes ago, I posted there on subject (but taken this your input only 50% seems valid, granted your point):

http://hv20.com/showpost.php?p=1097&postcount=45

Posting that example:

LINK

25p@1/25 where the problem seems away.

What do you think? Is the shutter speed a good solution to handle with it?

Cheers,
Emanuel
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Good question. Although being forced to shoot at 1/25 at all times is very limiting.
 
Norbert said:
There are apparently ways to work around it. Put the HV20 on a I personally don't see why I should spend those money on a handycam that doesn't work well as a HANDYcam.
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I think this camera is more exciting for an indie-film-maker than an average consumer. I would gladly use a decent affordable stabilizer with it.

Zim, what are you talking about? :huh: The whole point I want this camera is 24/25p! Its the reason we are all so excited!
 
A Canon rep here would be most welcome. I don't know if it will happen; I believe no official Canon rep has ever represented Canon officially on DVInfo, but if they want to come here and support our Canon users we'd be most glad to have them.
 
Fugitive said:
I think this camera is more exciting for an indie-film-maker than an average consumer. I would gladly use a decent affordable stabilizer with it.

Zim, what are you talking about? :huh: The whole point I want this camera is 24/25p! Its the reason we are all so excited!
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your average person who is buying a camcorder and the HV20 is a consumer camera will probably never use the 24p. I'm not talking about indie film makers.
The average Joe isn't going to do a lot extra to make his vacation look like a movie. It will be a "fun" extra to use sometimes.

Now do I want to buy a $800 stabilizer to make 24p look good? No I sure don't. I would apply the money to the Canon A1.

I just haven't made my mind up yet about the HV20. By the time you add all the extra's up to make it work on 24p you can have a better camera anyway.

Now if your just using 1080i/60 it won't matter.
 
Zim said:
Now do I want to buy a $800 stabilizer to make 24p look good? No I sure don't. I would apply the money to the Canon A1.
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They're different cameras. One is 4x the weight of another... Besides, an interlaced (3)CCD hasn't the same pic outcome than you can get from a (CINEMATIC) single chip CMOS.
 
Emanuel said:
They're different cameras. One is 4x the weight of another... Besides, an interlaced (3)CCD hasn't the same pic outcome than you can get from a (CINEMATIC) single chip CMOS.
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I haven't ruled out buying the HV20 yet. I've seen some great video from it. The price is great too.
 
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