Will you dump your Video DSLR when Canon comes out with a VIDEO CAMERA?

amrrahmy said:
if canon makes a camera comparable to an ex3 or better, it will be competitive in price, it won't go down as far as 5k for a functioning camera, it might start from 4-5 but will go as far as 8-sub10 for the high end model(not body only - we have to add that now for some people).

that would mean the 4-5k start point would be fixed lens !!

that would be allot of features made for studio, broadcast or eng work. that will include allot of features that you would not need for film, not to mention sailing away from the ff sensor size(which is at least 75% the selling point on an dslr).

but i'm guessing a ccd chip(if they went that way) might be a good option for the market, if all the new cameras went cmos skew for economy, what other option would there be for shooting sports and action sequences. at least untill they can incorporate a gpu that can work with a cmos chip to battle the skew.

the fixed scarlet most of you talk about is the 5k fixed lens that other manufactures make, it's not more affordable, and it's definitely not better than the options in the market today.and that will go both ways (price range or 2/3 broadcast).and don't argue that it's a 3-10k sensor or has dynamic range of 20-50, that's red measurements, they don't mean anything in the real world

the other scarlets and epics are not in the same price point, don't look at the body only price as the final price and compare it to other fully functioning cameras.
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I think you might have your facts muddled up. Plenty of info around about exactly what RED is doing

The scarlet fixed we refer to is the one for $4750 (includes side CF module, remote, 2.8" touchscreen, programmable 8x zoom, battery and charger)
2/3 sized sensor, 3k raw at up to 120 frames per second, specs here
http://reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=517037&postcount=7

It competes with cameras like the SI-2k LINK


Pic of Scarlet Fixed next to a nikon DSLR
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example will be between footage let say 1.5-2x better than the current red one(which would be a really big stretch for the 2/3 scarlet considering the difference in size of the sensors) and a camcorder(lets say the canon or pany 5000 camera, panny's is newer).

it's very easy, the way the sensor is made on the red(including the newer ones, i have to add this of course for some people that thing anything newer totally erases the older model and is an upgrade in every way), it's inferior in terms of color(that woud limit the camera to the point of unusable for most film work), and normal and low light capability(that would be the only camera dropping the iso in normal light conditions so far that it's a problem), different amount of noise in most to all situations also comparing newer 5k cameras to the lens on the fixed lens that might cause additional light loss, it will be worse in terms or ergonomics and hand-held, not sure about the weight or most of the features in the fixed lens scarlet since it's not real yet. not even sure if the fixed scarlet would be actually funtional of the bat or would it need proprietary storage or battery that will make it in a different category like 5-8k, that's ex territory, red one might be better than ex in some situations, but not overall picture quality or functionality.

if your shooting a black room with no light you can probably say the scarlet is a 3k camera resolving 3k footage and 500 dynamic range in 8:8:8:8 48bit, with a clean sharp image. but not when talking about a film camera or comparing to another camera, you have to unify all the measurements and consider real work use of the camera in film production.
 
yeah but what does the battery and cf module mean.
how does the battery time compare to the other cameras, it can be an even bigger battery than the rest but how much time would it give you, and the price on the cards in terms of how much footage or time can you record in the best settings compared to the other companies.
if it's not comparable and you need more battery and storage, how much does it cost to even up the equation to the other cameras, are we in a different price range yet.
 
it the 2.8 touchscreen better than the screens on the other competitive models, no!!
or thee 8x zoom lens produce better pictures or functionality
 
Follow up: Canon says they are working on a new codec variation of MPEG 2
With 4:2:2 color and up to 50Mbps.
They are working with Adobe, Apple, Grassvalley, and AVID to iron out any issues before any cameras are released.
 
Green Hornet said:
Follow up: Canon says they are working on a new codec variation of MPEG 2
With 4:2:2 color and up to 50Mbps.
They are working with Adobe, Apple, Grassvalley, and AVID to iron out any issues before any cameras are released.
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It's hard to be excited about MPEG-2, but at least it's not H.264. :beer:
 
Dan_Kanes said:
They'll probably start by eviscerating the low end market by selling the Rebel T2i...Moire, aliasing, 8 bit color et al.

Next they might have another DSLR that uses a new digic (ASIC) with a full raster downsampling capability

Oh yeah, and it will still have automatic Gain control.

Then they'll release a cheaper version of the same camera, but without AGC. Everyone will demand a firmware update. Canon will say a firmware update is coming...some time in 2012, but we aren't really sure which month, and if it will ever really be released so that we don't sell our (previous camera model here) to buy the $1000 cheaper (camera model here)


By this time a 2/3" inch scarlet might hit market, and Panasonic will have their 3rd generation M4/3 camera out.

Meanwhile Sony releases an APS-C EVIL camera, but it's a waste of time for us because it only shoots 30p and has non standard microphone inputs. Oh, and it records to sony memory sticks.



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If I could get my hands on that crystal ball I would sell all my cameras and move to Vegas.
 
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Michael Olsen said:
It's hard to be excited about MPEG-2, but at least it's not H.264. :beer:
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H.264 scales up pretty high.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC#Profiles

High 4:4:4 Predictive Profile (Hi444PP)
This profile builds on top of the High 4:2:2 Profile, supporting up to 4:4:4 chroma sampling, up to 14 bits per sample, and additionally supporting efficient lossless region coding and the coding of each picture as three separate color planes.
For camcorders, editing, and professional applications, the standard contains four additional all-Intra profiles, which are defined as simple subsets of other corresponding profiles. These are mostly for professional (e.g., camera and editing system) applications:
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yes. if they produce an aps-c sensor video cam for a good price, i will buy in a heartbeat. i love the look of the 7d. i hate the dslr form factor. give me a bigger cam with real audio inputs, peaking, sdi out, etc and out comes my wallet.
 
There's a world of difference between well-implemented anything, and crap-implemented anything. H.264 is vastly (yes, VASTLY) superior to MPEG-2. But if they put in a poor implementation (7D) or lousy implementation (GH1) then yeah, I can see your point, but -- I'd much rather have fixed h.264 than anything MPEG-2.
 
Barry_Green said:
- I'd much rather have fixed h.264 than anything MPEG-2.
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Heh...that's why it's hard for me to be excited about the MPEG-2.

Kinda like driving a broken scooter all day, but then having the opportunity to get a nice new bicycle. It's not really better, ceteris paribus, but at least it works properly.
 
Well the thing is that H264 is very very good at low bitrates but when the bitrates are increased to the 50mbps range mpeg2 is actually equally good if not even better. Ofcourse intraframe h264 beats it hands down but it requires over 100mbps for full quality.

Mpeg2 as a format also supports 4:4:4 so it's not hugely outdated.
 
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