Why the downer on the 1D C?

So the holy grail remains higher dynamic range and larger sensors. However, RED already has something like 12.5 stops and a larger sensor, but people still complain that it looks like video. So perhaps there is another missing ingredient (besides grain obviously).
 
The Alexa was last years high dynamic range king according to the Zacuto shootout. They didn't test the Epic. So far the dynamic range on the MKIII is less than stellar (about the same as the MKII) but the jury is still out on the 1D C and C300/500. The D800 has a couple of stops over the Canons for stills but we haven't seen any tests in video mode. Did anyone catch the Zacuto 2012 results at NAB?
 
It is worth noting that VistaVision films were actually mostly deep focus. Hitchcock's VistaVision films are good examples. It was not the possibility for shallow DOF that was tempting filmmakers, but image clarity and the possibility for wide angles.
In fact, Paramount specifically boasted VistaVision's deep focus capabilities because of the available 28mm lens which was amongst the widest at the time.
 
derek7 said:
I bet the 1DC 4K is sharper than EPIC's 4K. At least EPIC 2K is horrible.
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...Care to back up your statement with some proof ?

I haven't seen anything from the EPIC that I would call "horrible", but I have seen all kinds of incompetent people blaming technology they haven't mastered for their poor results. :-)
 
Zephyrnoid said:
though I have my doubts about Micro4/3 due to its very deep DOF.
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Smaller image plane doesn't really affect your ability to make a decent film or TV show, though. These were all shot on s16 which is technically smaller.

* Black Swan
* 28 Weeks Later
* The Hurt Locker
* The Last King of Scotland
* Earth (doco)
* The Queen

And TV shows like The Walking Dead and Scrubs.
 
If you cant get a shallow dof from a 1/3rd inch sensor, never mind a micro 4/3rds sensor. You better hang it up and start looking for a new profession. Of course there's compromise with a 1/3rds inch. But it's completely doable if you set up your shot and have the needed room to back off the subject. just say'n.
 
maranfilms said:
If you cant get a shallow dof from a 1/3rd inch sensor, never mind a micro 4/3rds sensor. You better hang it up and start looking for a new profession. Of course there's compromise with a 1/3rds inch. But it's completely doable if you set up your shot and have the needed room to back off the subject. just say'n.
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Well said.
 
maarek said:
Lots of noise at medium to low light, not very sharp, cropped glass.
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I will definitely give you the low-light noise issue. With my GH-2 I try and limit myself to ISO 800 or lower when I shoot.

I am going to call you on the "not very sharp", as even the Philip Bloom Xmas shoot-out had the hacked GH-2 outperforming all tested cameras including the Canon C-300 in terms of resolution.

I would love to see a camera test with movement ( it would have to be repeatable movement ), as I think this would help to separate the higher end cameras from the rest. ( very curious to see what happens to resolution with movement )

As for "cropped glass", I guess it depends on what you standardize on. For the normal Super35 digital cine format, the M4/3 crop factor is only 1.2 ( so not a huge difference ), and there are a few very nice fast and wide lenses for the M4/3 format. ( hopefully more are to come. I can't wait for the Panasonic 12-35mm zoom to arrive this summer. )
 
mburkefilms said:
Well said.
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Though if you want a wide shot with shallow dof, you will NEVER get it with 1/3" devices. You think people craved 35mm adapters before DSLR's for nothing? Zooming in from a distance and creating space in a teleshot, compared to a good wideangle shot with shallow dof is quite different.
 
TheDingo said:
I will definitely give you the low-light noise issue. With my GH-2 I try and limit myself to ISO 800 or lower when I shoot.

I am going to call you on the "not very sharp", as even the Philip Bloom Xmas shoot-out had the hacked GH-2..
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We were talking about the RED Epic 2k format.
 
Here is an example at 2K

http://vimeo.com/25591100 (view the original).

There is noise, but it is not so bad.... I guess that comes from having a fast shutter speed and having to boost the ISO. Resolution looks about the same as the 5DII..... Certainly usable in some situations.
 
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