Why New Star Wars Sucks

MattinSTL said:
On an off-note... so, can I use CLIPS from movies, CLIPS from songs, etc. as long as I don't present them in unaltered, stand-alone clips?
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I doubt it. He's probably getting a nasty letter from Lucasfilm right about now. Regarding that power station force field, my favorite part is when he mentions that the Jedi's super fast running power shown in the open would come in handy right about there.
 
I hope this guy can keep going with these... and does. I could watch these all day. It reminds me of some old reference to comedians (Seinfeld perhaps) where a guy compliments a comedian by saying "he's just saying what we're all thinking"...

In this case I really relate, because he's dissected two movies that I anticipated more then any other movie... ever, only to be SEVERELY disappointed.

His review of those movies is dramatically more entertaining then the movies themselves.
 
Chamber005 said:
But in regards to stealing ideas, there is a huge difference between CREATING a story and MIMICKING a story. With episode IV George Lucas mimicked an established plot formula, in episode one he didn't. In episode one he actually tried to CREATE something which is why it's so awful.
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So you're point is it's best to mimic an established plot point? I thought you were saying to not do that...

Either way, everything is a mimic of each other. Look at avatar (which I haven't seen but I'm assuming) is like Pocahontas, the Last Samurai, etc... It's not because he was trying to 'create' a story, but he was going everywhere without a clear direction. If you call mimicking a formula the same thing that I call a story with a clear direction, then I think 'mimicking a formula' is much better. It's not always best to stray, but to use what works and take it in a new direction. Maybe he didn't take it in a new direction, but I haven't seen that type of story before (though I know the old wise man leading you on a journey story is common), and as far as I'm concerned a New Hope was great.

MattinSTL said:
On an off-note... so, can I use CLIPS from movies, CLIPS from songs, etc. as long as I don't present them in unaltered, stand-alone clips?
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Batutta said:
I doubt it. He's probably getting a nasty letter from Lucasfilm right about now.
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Actually there are copyright laws that protect such work. I've been learning Canadian laws, but they're usually pretty similar to the states (though don't quote me). Essentially there are a few categories that if it falls under, then it's 'fair use'. For example, Parody, Education, Critique, etc... so he should be perfectly fine. That's why review shows can show clips of movies and talk about them. They don't need permission of the owners. Copyright is essentially in place to prevent people from making money off of your work.

Plus Lucas has been known to be very slack with copyright. Thus all of the star wars fan films. He even holds star wars fan film competitions with atom films.
 
I watched this whole thing yesterday and thought it was amazing, just so right on, particularly the last video and a half. Also amazing is how I wanted to think it was a good movie after I saw it, I don't know if I ever believed but I do remember defending it some at the time....so ashamed.
 
MattinSTL said:
I hope this guy can keep going with these... and does. I could watch these all day. It reminds me of some old reference to comedians (Seinfeld perhaps) where a guy compliments a comedian by saying "he's just saying what we're all thinking"...

In this case I really relate, because he's dissected two movies that I anticipated more then any other movie... ever, only to be SEVERELY disappointed.

His review of those movies is dramatically more entertaining then the movies themselves.
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I thought his "review" was brilliant. It was funny, entertaining and very original. He must invested many hours of time putting it together. I look forward to seeing more from him! :Drogar-Happy(DBG):
 
So I was thumbing through the original trilogy the other night as a result of this. Am I insane, or did Lucas add in Greedo getting a shot off when Han shoots him under the table?
 
Mark Harris said:
Am I insane, or did Lucas add in Greedo getting a shot off when Han shoots him under the table?
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Don't tell me you're just noticing this?! This was the biggest gripe fans had about the Special Editions. They even made Han shot first t-shirts. Some of the other changes were annoying, but that was plain wrong. Just on a storytelling level, it's better for the audience to not know how shady this guy Luke and Obi-Wan put their trust in is. Seeing him gun down someone in cold blood adds so much more to that tension.
 
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Gotta say, though, I'm glad that they did the first three movies because it gave us the incomperable Star Wars Clone Wars series and film. Those guys are just doing an amazing job -- SO much better than any of the first three episodes.
 
Batutta said:
Don't tell me you're just noticing this?! This was the biggest gripe fans had about the Special Editions. They even made Han shot first t-shirts. Some of the other changes were annoying, but that was plain wrong. Just on a storytelling level, it's better for the audience to not know how shady this guy Luke and Obi-Wan put their trust in is. Seeing him gun down someone in cold blood adds so much more to that tension.
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Yeah, honestly even though I bought the set when it came out, I only watched Empire. Which also has several added expository shots of Vader in transit, which serve no purpose whatsoever...just him flying, him walking...I guess so we know how he got up to the Super Star Destroyer, because we might have been confused otherwise...
 
Mark Harris said:
Yeah, honestly even though I bought the set when it came out, I only watched Empire. Which also has several added expository shots of Vader in transit, which serve no purpose whatsoever...just him flying, him walking...I guess so we know how he got up to the Super Star Destroyer, because we might have been confused otherwise...
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One line I always liked in Empire was "it's a good thing you don't taste very good", after R2 gets spit out by the swamp monster. For some unknown reason it was changed to "you were lucky to get out of there." And the new dialogue with the Emperor in the throne room makes no logical sense. He says "the young rebel who destroyed the Death Star is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker", to which Vader replies "How is that possible?" But we've already been told Darth Vader is obsessed with finding Luke Skywalker in the title crawl, and before this scene he says "The rebels are there, and I'm sure Skywalker is with them." Stooopid.
 
Hopefully they'll do the right thing and digitally replace all the laser guns with 20th century walkie-talkies :)
 
Lucas messing with the originals for the special editions really pisses me off.

And the fact that he won't release re-mastered 16x9 native DVDs of the un-altered originals really steams my teapot.

So in a sense, old Star Wars sucks now too for those of us who don't like the added stuff.
 
Thing is, unless I missed it he didn't carry the ball all the way to touchdown on that whole who's-the-hero-of-this-movie bit. I was waiting for it, but I didn't hear it...

Jar Jar Binks is the hero in The Phantom Menace.

Jar Jar is the doofus screw-up who's banished from hearth and home. He goes out into the world, has adventures, meets allies, and upon his return home he helps lead his people into battle to save the day, ending up with the acclaim of Gungans and Naboo alike.

He's the closest thing to an identifiable hero there, anyway. Too bad he's also the comic relief.
 
But aren't heroes supposed to be apathetic and relatable?

Well, on second thought, I am unfunny and slightly brain-damaged, so yes I could relate :happy:

Kidding aside, yes he was the closest thing to a hero in this movie.
 
Sad Max said:
Jar Jar Binks is the hero in The Phantom Menace.
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*ugh* you're right... I think I'm gonna' be sick... or should I say...


"Mesa day startin pretty okee-day with a brisky morning munchy, then BOOM! Gettin very scared and grabbin that Jedi and POW! Mesa here! Mesa gettin' very very scared!"


(brilliant character concept... brilliant writing... *click*... *POW!*...)
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Sad Max said:
Jar Jar Binks is the hero in The Phantom Menace.

Jar Jar is the doofus screw-up who's banished from hearth and home. He goes out into the world, has adventures, meets allies, and upon his return home he helps lead his people into battle to save the day, ending up with the acclaim of Gungans and Naboo alike.

He's the closest thing to an identifiable hero there, anyway. Too bad he's also the comic relief.
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I think my love for Star Wars has died even more now... because that is absolutely right... it never hit me...
 
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