Why is this guy hating on P2?

Write Protecting P2 cards for Mac prevents P2 Genie from formatting cards before ejecting. Formatting cards in camera interrupts the shooting flow.
Is solution to eject card from mac, un-write protect, then reinsert to have P2 Genie format and eject again?
 
that guy is right.. those p2 cards are evil!! evil i tell you!!! EVAHHHLL!!! j/k hehe who knows why he doesnt like p2 cards, i think thats his problem though... considering all the people using them successfully.
 
Because Macs write files onto any newly-mounted volumes that get mounted on the desktop. PCs don't. It causes the footage on cards to glitch occasionally when playing footage from the card on the Mac, or copying the footage onto a hard disk from a Mac.

Apple recommends always write-protecting the cards before putting 'em in a Mac or otherwise exposing them to a Mac. Panasonic recommends the same. Once we started doing that inescapably, the "glitch" appears to have gone away.
 
I figured out decent P2 work flow on a PC within 12 hours of getting my camera in my hands. I'm pretty stupid so that guy must be a functional vegetable if he can't figure it out and be comfortable. Especially with his "vast experience".

I'm a digital guy who is comfortable with an all digital workflow. Tape is dead.
 
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I worked out my workflow in like one hour, actually probably less, after getting my setup. But of course I had done research here on this forums before buying. Thanks DVXuser forums!
 
I've used miniDV for a long while with the GL2 and XL1, and after having my HVX-200 for almost a year, I will never go back to tape!. P2 is tough, high quality, DVCPROHD is less compressed than HDV, Recording isn't as dangerous, no need to worry about dirty heads, and strange DV artifacts. The guy who wrote that probably has NOT worked with P2.
 
I agree! These stinkin' P2 cards are EVIL INCARNATE and way too much trouble. I'd rather slit a roll of old dual 8mm movie film down the center manually than to ever have to use a P2 card again.
I suggest the complaining individual send me as many as he can get his hands on and I will be sure to dispose of all of them for him ASAP!
 
TimurCivan said:
Hey barry where do you get that figure from?
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From surveying attendees at the HVX BootCamps. The lowest number I've ever had was 80%, and the usual number is 95% to 97%.

Overseas it's more 50/50, but here in the US it seems consistently very extremely biased towards the Mac.
 
Well, possibly -- but consider that our primary way of making people aware of those seminars is DVXUser, and DVXUser has about an 82% PC/18% Mac split (last time I heard of the stats being run) then you'd expect that there'd be an enormously higher percentage of PC users showing up. But they're not. And it's not just here. I run the same poll at every speaking and training seminar I do, and in the USA it's consistent -- at *least* 80%, and many of those people are not yet HVX owners. Of those that are, it's usually well over 80% are using FCP.

Outside the USA it's much more like 50/50.

I rarely hear of anyone using Avid, EDIUS, Premiere Pro, Vegas, or any other PC app in the USA/HVX world, wheras in the DVX world those were absolutely dominant for years and years. It really seems like the Vegas and Premiere Pro DVX users migrated to FCP when they got their HVX. Which makes some measure of sense in that Vegas/Premiere didn't have any HVX support until CineForm and Raylight came along.

In Australia and NZ and Asia there's a huge percentage of Avid users, probably half or more of the HVX users I encounter there are using Avid. But the rest of them are almost all on FCP.

It makes no sense to me; I think FCP is the least-integrated editing platform out there for an HVX/P2 user. But the numbers are the numbers; I'm just calling it like I see it... I've probably talked to more HVX users than most other people will meet in a lifetime, and at least in the USA those people are overwhelmingly using the Mac & FCP.
 
Barry, I believe its understandable, this transition to Macs from previous dvx owners. I also did the same.

It was premiere pro's lack of support for P2 that made me think of switching to Mac. Its integration with dvcpro HD (not native MXF support, however) was already working flawlessly when I invested on the camera, and there was no announcemment from adobe to upgrade. FCP's interface is quite similar to Premiere Pro, and, sincerely, I tried Pinnacle Studio (which evolved to Edius, if I'm not mistaken) and didn't liked it one bit. Avid had a terrible file management system and a very "selective"criteria for footage (that some love- good for them!), so the closest to premiere was FCP. Add to that I had to invest on a laptop, and, back then, the Powerbook g4 was just gorgeous...And I switched to Mac.

It was hard at the beginning: I tried to control everything in a PC way, looking for control panels, etc, but the more I wanted to know, the more I knew i wasn't supposed to go there. Macs just don't want you to solve problems. Had to learn new set of Mac specific language therms... But, nowadays, I wouldn't see myself going back to either PC or Premiere... The FC Studio package is a very, very good package indeed.

I had to completely up my game when I went the HVX route. I actually bought a MAC for the HVX, and Barry, I was a PPro guy on the dvx days.
 
I think a lot of people made the same shift.

(btw, Pinnacle Studio is not EDIUS; Pinnacle had no relationship to Canopus. Pinnacle got bought by Avid, and Pinnacle Studio is still offered, it's on version 11 now. I don't know EDIUS' history, but it might have evolved out of the old Canopus DV Storm product mabye?)
 
I'm running Avid Media Composer on both a PC HP workstation and a Mac G5. I prefer the PC. I just find its more stable when I'm running Avid. I'm not hating on the Macs here, I started 13 years ago on a Mac.
 
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