Why Canon will rule the camera world...

You guys are losing it totally. SONY is number 1 and Canon is always trailing behind. Who came up with the VX-1000 and who was trailing behind with the XL1? Who came up with the Z1 and who was training behind with the G1? Who came up with the EX1 and who was training behind with the obsolete old model HDV solutions while SONY was releasing the EX3, Z5, the Z7, etc.... Who is now going to release the next large sensor camera after Panasonic?

Where is Canon? Still stuck with DSLR and small sensor cameras. They can't even exploit an advantage when they have one.

Just to show you how incompetent the Canon people are: They did not even see the DSLR revolution comming and when it came they were incapable of quickly resolving key issues such as frame rates (It took over a year) and audio. The codec is prosumer at best. If they had been really on top of it, they would have released right away a full blown DSLR at 24/25 fr/sec with audio built in.

But we are dealing with clowns who got lucky with DSLR and will soon be back where they have always been: trying to catch up with SONY.

The leaders are are remain SONY.
 
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Dur . . . . . DSLRs are stills cameras that just happen to do video as a side-line, as a side effect of live view
Understand this and get real.
Canon were taken by surprise at how good the video on the 5DII was (Never intended for film-making, just for photojournalists) and very likely moved as fast as they could.
Sony have been nowhere in the DSLR game until they bought out Konica-Minolta, itself built on the Minolta heritage.
I could post more but can't be bothered.
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yaounderespire said:
You guys are losing it totally. SONY is number 1 and Canon is always trailing behind. Who came up with the VX-1000 and who was trailing behind with the XL1? Who came up with the Z1 and who was training behind with the G1? Who came up with the EX1 and who was training behind with the obsolete old model HDV solutions while SONY was releasing the EX3, Z5, the Z7, etc.... Who is now going to release the next large sensor camera after Panasonic?

Where is Canon? Still stuck with DSLR and small sensor cameras. They can't even exploit an advantage when they have one.

Just to show you how incompetent the Canon people are: They did not even see the DSLR revolution comming and when it came they were incapable of quickly resolving key issues such as frame rates (It took over a year) and audio. The codec is prosumer at best. If they had been really on top of it, they would have released right away a full blown DSLR at 24/25 fr/sec with audio built in.

But we are dealing with clowns who got lucky with DSLR and will soon be back where they have always been: trying to catch up with SONY.

The leaders are are remain SONY.
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And while the massively shallow DOF of the full frame Canon 5D MKII is oh so attractive, many film makers find it hard to work with. It's actually too shallow for day-to-day shooting, and if one stops down to reduce DOF then one needs to add more light to the scene, which is contrary to the gestalt of current film making, let alone today's constrained production budgets.
The smaller (but still large in cine terms) APS-C and Four Thirds sensors are at the sweet spot; small enough to allow shallow DOF when desired, yet not so shallow that a moderate aperture presents lighting issues. Indeed the Four Thirds sensor's size is isn't that much smaller than traditional 35mm motion picture film.Thus we will have both Sony and Panasonic with their new video cameras having sensors aimed at the DOF sweet spot.

All of the begs the question – is there room for video DSLRs in this new brave new large sensor video camera world? The answer is likely both yes and no. At the pro level there will always be those cinematographers who love the small size / big picture that a DSLR offers when shooting video. But for anything other than shooting in incredibly tight quarters, DSLRs make truly terrible cine cameras.
To be usable they need a range of handling accessories that increases their bulk to that of a proper video camera. They also are completely lacking in terms of obligatory video features such as built in ND filters, zebras, peaking, under and over cranking, live EVFs, wave form monitors, and the like.
I therefore think that over the next year or so the video DSLR revolution, begun by Nikon with the D90 and brought to a peak by the Canon 5D MKII, will have run its course. Naturally all DSLRs will continue to offer ever-improving video capability, but they will essentially remain stills cameras that can (Oh, by the way) shoot video, while the new generation of large sensor video cameras such as the AF100 and Super 35 NEXCAM become the tools of choice for Indy film makers and other budget-oriented producers and cinematographers.
At the high end we will have Sony, with its new CineAlta F3 and successors. Whether Panasonic will decide to play in this more rarified segment remains to be seen. This is traditionally Sony CineAlta, Arri Alexa, and RED territory.
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Where Do We Go From Here?
Trying to forecast this industry (stills and video) is a mugs game. Not even the major companies with their marketing gurus and product specialists can accurately see more than a couple of quarters into the future. The rate of change of both technology and the marketplace is simply too fast for Five Year Plans, or even two years.​
Clearly the revolution that started in photography some dozen years ago with the switch from film to sensor, continues to evolve unabated. During that period, just a decade or so, the video industry has seen the transition from tape to solid state, from SD to HD, and now from small sensors to large sensors. RED has shown that professionals want and need raw video, just as still photographers do, and its only a matter of time, now that the new generation of video cameras use much the same sensors as those in DSLRs, that raw video will become available from the major Asian players, not just Ari and RED.
Not long ago we thought that the revolution would come in the form of still cameras that could also shoot video. We weren't wrong in that. But still photographers aren't really interested in shooting video. Videomakers are interested in shooting video, and they want the best tools that they can get at the lowest possible price.
Till now the video DSLR has been their choice because it's been the only game in town at the sub-$7,000 price point. But that changes as of now, and it's likely that a year or two from now we'll see very few DSLRs being used in video production.
But, Panasonic and Sony are sitting in a commanding position when it comes to stills / video convergence. Sony has its E series lenses used on NEX stills and video cameras, and Panasonic its Micro Four Thirds lenses shared with its G series stills cameras and new AF series video cameras. Because of their short back focus distance (due to the mirrorless stills design) both company's stills and video cameras can also take a wide range of legacy lenses from many manufacturers, including the all-important PL mount from the movie industry.
It therefore seems that the decision by both Sony and Panasonic to pursue the mirrorless stills/video convergence market was a sound one, well thought out in advance, in broad stokes if not in specifics and timing. Both companies stand to benefit from this foresightedness.
What About Canon and Nikon?

Of course Nikon and Canon are two giants of the traditional DSLR industry. Neither is as diversified as Sony and Panasonic in consumer electronics, but Canon has long been a player in prosumer and prosumer video, as well as broadcast video optics. Nikon has world-class lenses, but has never been a player in the video world at any level. (Nikon used to make some pretty cool Super-8 film cameras though). Both companies also have sensor design capabilities, but of the two only Canon owns its own sensor fabrication plant.
Curiously, though Canon stumbled into becoming the leader thus far in larger sensor video DSLRs, and Nikon has been introducing video capable models at a fast clip as well, neither company has yet seen fit to release either a dedicated large sensor video camera or a mirrorless DSLR (for lack of a better name).
Whether this is because they are afraid of cannibalizing their own high margin DSLR market, or some other reason, the fact remains that the fastest growing market segment at the moment are mirrorless convergence cameras, and neither of the two industry stalwarts are playing (yet). It will be interesting to see if they allow Panasonic and Sony to continue to eat their lunch in this segment.
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