Which on-board HDMI Recorder?

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gstrother

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What on-camera recorders are compatible with the HMC150?

Looking for extra security recording live events. Cards, SSD or hard drive are all ok.

Anyone have experience shooting with one of these?
 
I'm also interested

I'm also interested

I shoot with a HVX200 to a Firestore for backup/protection and want to go to the HMC150.

what works with the HMC150 which does not have IEEE output?
 
MLVinc said:
what works with the HMC150 which does not have IEEE output?
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Ki Pro Mini, nanoFlash and AG-HMR10 all look like they could work.

Ki Pro Mini has HDMI I/O, costs less, but requires 12V, so it's a two battery system or something like this Anton mount -http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/741389-REG/Anton_Bauer_QR_DSLR_QR_DSLR_Gold_Mount.html - and then you still need the 12V battery system. I think it lost it's price advantage.

nanoFlash has HDMI I/O, is the most expensive, but will run on camera battery voltage. Some sort of high capacity 7.2V system that can split output to both devices or separate batteries would still be needed.

Panasonic AG-HMR10 looks like it should work, but requires an SDI/HDMI converter. The HMR10 uses a Pana 7.2V battery, but the HDMI converter will need power too. I haven't found a 7.2V SDI/HDMI, so back to another separate battery or something like the Anton plate above.

I'm hoping to hear from someone using a backup recorder setup and has found the best system and the way to patch it all together.

If I shot all of the time on sticks and AC it would get simpler, but it's not going to happen.
 
Jim Simon said:
Less than $500 complete. A device that only records should not cost as much as a whole damn camera that does a whole lot more.
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There's a saying that applies here -- "there's the way things is, and the way things ought to be."

You will not find an external HDMI recorder for $500, it does not exist. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, you will not find an external HDMI recorder for less than $2895. The Ninja is not available, and the Ki Pro Mini is not available, so if you look at your market choices now, the only thing you can get is the Nano.

If you want to pair it with a computer, you can do that -- blackmagic makes some HDMI recorders for much less, like $349 or so.
 
OP is looking for a live-events/portable solution, this may not be for him -

Others coming to this thread wanting cleanest possible keying footage from the 150 might consider the Intensity Pro - 200 bucks in PCIE (Mac/Windows) or USB 3.0 (Windows only).

I'm guessing most keying shots are done in studio or at least in situations where a laptop or desktop is useable.

Anyone used either of these? http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/
 
what about a DVD recorder such as the Sony VRDMC6?

I want to transition to the HMC150 but need reliable backup also. wouldn't something like this work? i am indoors and stationary when shooting and have a power-strip if necessary.

for inspections or shooting on the move, i will rely on my SD cards not failing.
 
Nobody got too torqued up about backing up their tapes, back in the day... and tape is the most delicate media there is, physically. With cards, check your shots often & check your audio.

I suppose with card-based media we should all start thinking about their potential useful life and throw the things out before they start failing - or give 'em to a school or something? My guess is the metal conductive strips will eventually start to wear or oxidize.
 
I shot for almost two years with 6 Class 6 Transcend cards. Backed up to my Nexto every night or to the laptop and small usb drives. Maybe the luck of the Irish but never had a problem, never lost a shot or as much as a frame (though my Irish superstition has me knocking on the hardwood floor with one hand as I type with the other.) I did periodic playback checks and such but never a problem. I used a Firestore with my DVX 100b but that was mostly because it was faster to edit with than tape and it never bombed either. Not putting down the value of a backup but there are no moving parts in the record of the HMC150 and $3k is pretty steep.
 
Barry_Green said:
There's a saying that applies here -- "there's the way things is, and the way things ought to be."

You will not find an external HDMI recorder for $500, it does not exist. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, you will not find an external HDMI recorder for less than $2895. The Ninja is not available, and the Ki Pro Mini is not available, so if you look at your market choices now, the only thing you can get is the Nano.

If you want to pair it with a computer, you can do that -- blackmagic makes some HDMI recorders for much less, like $349 or so.
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Ouch! As far as I can see the Blackmagic Intensity Pro (http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/) does the same work as the Nano for only 199$ - only difference is that the Blackmagic is not portable, but for studio work or connected to a laptop with USB 3.0 PCM card in the field it should be the same result in the end of the day? Right?


:)
MOrten
 
The problem with laptop capture is disk speed if you're going with a higher bit depth. BlackMagic makes a USB3 breakout box for Windows (Macs have not adopted USB3 yet, far as I know). I don't have any experience with USB3 for video capture, but it could be an option, don't know if you'll capture 4:2:2 at 1080 with that setup.

The matrox mini is available in a cardbus version ($450) but you'll be reliant on firewire or USB (or do PCs have eSata??). since your laptop's card slot will be taken by the matrox, you won't be able to use a higher-end card for storage.

You can download BlackMagic's disk speed check for free at their site; it runs a quick test on any selected drive or raid and tells you what frame rate you can capture at various sizes & depths (with their hardware anyway).
 
Hmmm...I was a bit too Quick with the trigger: http://www.blackmagic-design.com/support/detail.asp?techID=201
The blackmagic intensity is only usefull with specific desktop mobos or usb 3.0 cards and no laptops are supported at All...
What a shame... So only solution for getting hdmi recorded In 4:2:2 and higher bitrate from my hmc 151e would be nano or ninja?
There is no big difference after all I guess but most broadcasting In EU have to be 4:2:2 and min. 50mbit/s....

:(
Morten
 
Oops...our posts crossed I guess...sounds like it will either be a very hard thing do or very expensive - or both...No free lunch!!!??

;)
 
Ninja doesn't exist. So it's Nano or Ki Pro Mini, those are the only choices, or using a full desktop computer with an Intensity Pro card or something like that.
 
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