When do you think we'll see cameras with global shutter again?

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combatentropy

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When do you all think we'll see cameras with global shutter again?

(Now don't get all technical with me and say that there are cameras with global shutter. I mean the mid-range, DVX-form-factor, etc., and when they'll be the majority again, like they were with CCD)
 
I read last year that Panasonic was working on a 4/3 CMOS chip with a global shutter but the engineers were asked to work on 3D instead. If this is true then I hope they get back to making a CMOS global shutter chip soon. I for one can not wait for the death of 3D.
 
combatentropy said:
When do you all think we'll see cameras with global shutter again?

(Now don't get all technical with me and say that there are cameras with global shutter. I mean the mid-range, DVX-form-factor, etc., and when they'll be the majority again, like they were with CCD)
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Sony's "new 4k" camera will have a global-shutter. Using a 6k sensor that has the new Q67 sensor pattern.

Video here:
http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/video/channels-cinealta/video-cinealta_hdworld2010_4k_roadmap/
The whole first part is about that new sensor, but you can skip to around the 12:00 mark.

In the next year or so we'll probably see most camera makers have a global shutter CMOS. Canon and Panasonic are also rumored to have something in the pipeline. Even cellphone sensor makers, like Omnivision, are moving to global-shutter CMOS. Don't be surprised if global-shutters become common place in the next few years.
 
Saw an official sony wedding demo clip for a camcorder that clearly had the rolling shutter/flash artifact. It was pretty distracting.
 
As they continue to push the dynamic range, eventually I think they will be willing to give up a little to implement the global shutter (electric), because most global shutter designs I've seen eat into your active area (since you need to shut off the collection of additional photon information). Up to this point, no one has wanted to give that up in CMOS design. I'd really like to get some insight into how much you lose.
 
Steve Castle said:
Sony's "new 4k" camera will have a global-shutter. Using a 6k sensor that has the new Q67 sensor pattern.

Video here:
http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/video/channels-cinealta/video-cinealta_hdworld2010_4k_roadmap/
The whole first part is about that new sensor, but you can skip to around the 12:00 mark.

In the next year or so we'll probably see most camera makers have a global shutter CMOS. Canon and Panasonic are also rumored to have something in the pipeline. Even cellphone sensor makers, like Omnivision, are moving to global-shutter CMOS. Don't be surprised if global-shutters become common place in the next few years.
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I hope I dont need to sell another kid to get that :P

Been wondering the same thing but from what Ive read CCD's are expensive .
That videopresentation is F* impressive !
 
The are various reasons to go between global and rolling shutter, whether in CCD or CMOS design. Fill Factor is the paramount reason for CMOS sensors commonly going with a Rolling shutter design.

But this is not always the case, especially with advances in design. The Phantom Flex uses a CMOS sensor and a Global Shutter, and this is a camera with a 1200 ISO sensitivity and incredible high frame rate capability, plus RAW data capture. You can have it all ;-)
 
Mitch Gross said:
The are various reasons to go between global and rolling shutter, whether in CCD or CMOS design. Fill Factor is the paramount reason for CMOS sensors commonly going with a Rolling shutter design.

But this is not always the case, especially with advances in design. The Phantom Flex uses a CMOS sensor and a Global Shutter, and this is a camera with a 1200 ISO sensitivity and incredible high frame rate capability, plus RAW data capture. You can have it all ;-)
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Isn't it lower resolution though? I thought it was like 720p?
 
I don't get it.

For years there have been many industrial cameras with global shutter CMOS sensors. As a recent example, the Baumer HXC40 has global shutter and can do 180 FPS at 2048x2048 resolution. And global shutter seems not to have hindered its dynamic range (90 dB).

Also, as already mentioned, the very impressive Vision Research Phantom Flex, whose Super-35mm-sized global-shutter CMOS does up to 2,570 frames per second at 1920x1080 resolution and has a sensitivity of ISO 1200.

And in the past year, there have been announcements of global shutter sensors that far exceed our needs:

I think most of us would be very happy with an S35 global-shutter sensor with just 60fps at 2K. In fact, if you just took the Kodak 2/3" sensor that is in the Ikonoskop (and some industrial cameras) and stretched it to S35, you'd have a hit!

But a post on dpreview.com quotes engineers from Sony and Panasonic saying that global shutter is years away:

. . . we are moving step by step. It is clear that 3D has monopolized much of our resources and we had to delay some work; further improving the picture quality seemed more important than eliminating the mechanical shutter.

--- Michiharu Uematsu, Panasonic Lumix development manager
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. . . at the end of 2010, we do not have the technology to do without a mechanical shutter. . . . We need to profoundly improve the electronic order to simultaneously read the whole image, and it will probably not possible for several more years.

--- Tôru Katsumoto, Sony Alpha development manager
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What am I missing?
 
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