What's with all the Canon Bashing?

Re: What's with all the Canon Bashing?

"The only thing they had to hold onto was the interchangeable lens thing, which in actuality 90% of users never do."

Just a matter of time until CanonKameraKat makes an appearance. She was gung ho XL1s when the DVX came out and then disappeared after people embraced Panasonic.
 
Re: What's with all the Canon Bashing?

Canon
Kamera
Kate

Is alive and well over at IndieClub... LOL.

I usually just lurk here and read dozens of posts daily to learn more about my new (just purchased) DVX-100A. I will admit to being a little bummed finding out about the XL2 right after I bought my new DVX.

Having said that...

I agree with others... The more I think about it, the more I think I would rather wait to buy an XL2 anyway IF, of course, I was going to buy one...

WHY?

It's just too new for me... That's exactly why I never purchased the XL1 when it came out... Too new and too many problems kept creeping up. Now of course with the XL2, I would think MOST of the problems should be solved since it looks like an upgrade of the XL1s but who knows that for sure?

I bought my DVX100A to make a feature... With a possible (but doubtful) filmout which, at least we know right now can look better than "28 Days Later."

But I can't help but think that the XL2 will have some problems here and there... Nothing that would keep anyone from purchasing it but problems that will probably get fixed in another couple of years... Then again, maybe not... You never know with Canon...

I will be first in line to buy a new XL2 AFTER I find out that it will do what "I" want it to do. That may not be what others want it to do however. For now, the DVX does what I want it to do... LOL. And, I need a camera now...

If the XL2 was available right now but no real reviews, I would still have to go with the DVX based on everything I've read thus far. I have no doubt that the XL2 will eventually deliver... Maybe even right away... But since we're talking a minimum of $5K (it will take a while for that price to go down a bit) and at least 6 months (after it's available) to really know how well it stands up against the DVX, I went for the DVX now...

But in reality, I hope it delivers... Just like Barry and Jarred have said... No matter what camera you like best, it's in all our best interests for the XL2 to be a kick-ass camera... That way, the other companies will keep pushing the envelope... Maybe (hopefully) a little faster than we're used to.
 
Re: What's with all the Canon Bashing?

[quote author=FilmJumper link=board=XL2;num=1089995193;start=15#21 date=07/17/04 at 01:51:25]Canon
Kamera
Kate

Is alive and well over at IndieClub... LOL.
[/quote]

Yeah, that much is true . . .
 
Re: What's with all the Canon Bashing?

OK, maybe I over-exagerated the 'We're the best, they suck posts'. I guess it came from some stuff I was reading on other sites as well, and just felt like a lot of people here were already passing judgement. But I did see all the 'we'll have to wait and do some tests' too.

Wasn't trying to stir up the proverbial '$hit', just noticing some tendencies towards bad-mouthing something that isn't even out, seemingly on the grounds that it competes with the camera that they already own.

That's all.

Tim
 
Re: What's with all the Canon Bashing?

I am the first to say, we should not be "brand bigots". Anyone who bashes a product just because of who made it, is certainly not being fair to the product or to themselves.

We have engaged in some "look at this feature, that's substandard, don't you think?" type of talk, which isn't so much aimed at whether it's Canon or not, but there's definitely some features that many of us wish would have been implemented differently. I don't think it's wrong to point that out, as long as the caveat is maintained: "We don't know nothin' till we see the video, shot by a pro".

When Sony announced the VX2000, a lot of people said (basically) "ho-hum". Same resolution, a little bit better low light, who cares, right? After we got it and started playing with it, the VX1000 was quickly obsolete. It's amazing how much better the picture is on a VX2000 vs. the old VX1000. And then there's hidden surprises that don't leap out of the spec sheet, that you don't really know until you use it for a while. Sony's 8-hour battery life was flat-out revolutionary! With the VX1000, you'd get maybe 40 minutes out of a battery. With the NP-F960's, all of a sudden you could run one battery all day long -- previously you couldn't even run a battery for the duration of even one tape!

So we must wait, and we must see what Canon has delivered to us. I think comparisons to the XL1 are quite moot, as the XL1 has long since been relegated to irrelevance. How does the XL2 compare to the DVX? We will not know until we compare it to the DVX.

But I really, really, really, really, really, really, really wish that 20x lens had included DVX-style focus and zoom rings. Those crappy motorized servos are completely useless to me. If it'd had zoom/focus rings at least as good as the DVX, along with a corresponding zoom/focus readout in the viewfinder, I could very easily see an XL2 fitting into my future (the 20x zoom reach, the native 16:9 without an optical adapter, etc... there's features the DVX doesn't have). I wouldn't replace the DVX, but the XL2 could have fit nicely in with the DVX. But without the zoom/focus readouts, I don't think I could stand using it. Yes, the manual lens is nice, but autofocus is an incredibly handy tool to have, when used properly (i.e., every pro SLR now has autofocus, for a reason). Don't use it mid-shot, but use it to assist focus and it's a good thing. But with the manual lens, you forever forego autofocus... so close, yet still not quite there... at least Canon could rectify that with a new lens in the future.

Rambling...
 
Re: What's with all the Canon Bashing?

Canon
Kamera
Kate

omg I cant believe you all remember her..( or should I say him )
 
Re: What's with all the Canon Bashing?

Having been involved in IT for over a decade, religious wars are not new to me. I never did get the Mac vs. PC or Linux vs. Windows rivalry. Each camp has its advantages and disadvantages. I never understood computer religious wars and I certainly don't care to partake in any camera religious wars. Life is too short. Buy and use what you feel like.
 
Re: What's with all the Canon Bashing?

Having said the above, I figure by the time I'm able to squeeze the same performance out of my DVX100A that Nancy Schreiber did out of her DVX100 there will probably be a XL4. ;D
 
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