scorsesefan
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A bit out of my budget.
C70: What is this on the sensor?
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rob norton
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Fair enough! Could you rig your to OG Komodo enjoyment? Or the “quirks” were also too much for you?
Jim Feeley
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Ya, I also don't like the ergonomics/form-factor of the C70. And I don't like the placement of the lcd screen (I want to just tilt it when it's at the back of the camera; I don't want to flip it out to the side). And I don't like the mini-XLRs (Just hanging a cable off those little guys makes me worry; so I rigged an anchor and now use the mid49 adapter thingy when I need to run cables to the camera).
But along the lines you're thinking, I tolerate all that because I find it easy to get an image I like out of the camera (both in terms of filming and post). And I prefer "real" built-in NDs (though the variable electronic ND on the FS7mkII, FX6, FX9, etc is pretty groovy).
I end up working with Sony cameras a lot because people want them, but I tend not to operate on gigs where someone's requesting a particular camera (I slide into audio and/or field producer). No hate, but for personal stuff, I'm good with Canon.
And I can't justify a C400 this year, I no longer have enough EF glass to make a C300mkIII (which shares the same sensor as the C70, IIRC), and so another C70 it is. For now. For backup and for two-camera interviews (le sigh). The cheap second C70 should earn back in a few months....
Nothing new in anything I'm saying. But there you go...
scorsesefan
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I had a nice rig built it's just that I do extremely quick moving run and gun doc work so it just wasn't a good fit i.e. start up time, constant black shading, recording times, etc. When it comes to cameras my brain is sort of split in two: one side leans more towards practicality (I own an fx6) and the other towards romantic notions of image quality (Komodo). I always buy the latter thinking I'm going to do slower more deliberate work where I have time to light and compose images to my liking but it rarely if ever happens...
scorsesefan
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My main issue with the c70's ergonomics is the screen, too. I tend to hand hold cameras against my upper chest and the screen pushes up against mine and I'm afraid it's going to break (it's flimsy as you know). It would have been much better as a moveable lcd like the fx6. The other issues - and I'm curious if you've experienced this - is my handheld shots are rarely level. I'm not sure why, but it doesn't help that the c70 doesn't have an electronic level... But as far as the image goes the DGO is just beautiful. I'm not a fan of Canon's new sensors (c400, c80, c50). They're very sharp, detailed and... vanilla. Just no character IMO. In every other way in terms of usability they are better than the c70 but image-wise I'll take the c70/c300 mark iii.
Jim Feeley
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Good points.
> (it's flimsy as you know).
Canon kind of fixed that. So now it's just kinda flimsy. And ya, not having an electronic level (like so many cameras do), is a bummer. I have a little linear bubble level from Wooden Camera that kind of helps, but isn't as helpful as having something onscreen. https://woodencamera.com/collections/bubble-levels
I haven't really looked into Canon's newer sensors, but ya I hear what you're saying a lot. A bummer.
Good luck with you camera hunt.
> (it's flimsy as you know).
Canon kind of fixed that. So now it's just kinda flimsy. And ya, not having an electronic level (like so many cameras do), is a bummer. I have a little linear bubble level from Wooden Camera that kind of helps, but isn't as helpful as having something onscreen. https://woodencamera.com/collections/bubble-levels
I haven't really looked into Canon's newer sensors, but ya I hear what you're saying a lot. A bummer.
Good luck with you camera hunt.
scorsesefan
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Jim, did I buy a c100 from you years ago?
Jim Feeley
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No. I've never owned a C100.
scorsesefan
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Ah, OK. I bought one off a dvxuser member years ago and they were from no Cal so I thought it might have been you.
rob norton
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I don't know if you have GAS, or at least it might be its own category. I think of it as more or newest gear, but you seem to be fine with older cameras and it's only the camera that bothers you. You know the perfect camera doesn't exist, but you're still trying to find one that's the best fit for you.Haha yeah. I'm sick, Norbro - help!!!
Why don't you just commit to then start working this way?
Jim Feeley
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No worries.
scorsesefan
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@Jim Feeley How did that used c70 come? Still mulling one…
Jim Feeley
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Showed up yesterday. I'll let you know tomorrow....
Jim Feeley
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The used C70 I bought from Lensrentals.com was well packed in its original box (ie- not in a pelican as it probably was for rentals), included all the accessories including manual, top handle, batt charger, body cap, and two batteries, a BP-A30 and a BP-A60. And the batteries are fully charged. ;-) There were a couple specs of dust on the body, but I think those were just from the packaging.
Camera fired up and at first glance, operates as expected. I have not recorded with it and examined the footage, but at this point, all seems good to me.
Camera fired up and at first glance, operates as expected. I have not recorded with it and examined the footage, but at this point, all seems good to me.
scorsesefan
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Looks like a good deal. Thanks for the info.
Jim Feeley
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I can't recall if you bought a C70, are still looking, or have moved on to other cameras... But Lensrentals.com is again offering 20-percent off their used equipment (LRHOLIDAY20 and code at top of each of their web pages). And they have four C70s with low hours for about $2300 (after the discount):
Buy a Canon EOS C70 Cinema Camera (RF)
Buy the Canon EOS C70 Cinema Camera (RF) at Lensrentals.com. Get competitive prices, excellent selection, and a trusted platform for purchasing lenses and cameras from top brands like Canon, Nikon, Olympus, Sony, Leica, and more.
www.lensrentals.com
scorsesefan
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Thanks, Jim. They did send me an email re: the newest sale. I wound up purchasing a unit a few weeks ago but I returned. It was in good condition functionally but cosmetically it was pretty rough and I'm anal about the physical look of my cameras due to client perception and just general neurosis LOL. I have my eye on the 100-300 hour unit they have listed, but it's rated the same as the others cosmetically (2).I can't recall if you bought a C70, are still looking, or have moved on to other cameras... But Lensrentals.com is again offering 20-percent off their used equipment (LRHOLIDAY20 and code at top of each of their web pages). And they have four C70s with low hours for about $2300 (after the discount):
Buy a Canon EOS C70 Cinema Camera (RF)
Buy the Canon EOS C70 Cinema Camera (RF) at Lensrentals.com. Get competitive prices, excellent selection, and a trusted platform for purchasing lenses and cameras from top brands like Canon, Nikon, Olympus, Sony, Leica, and more.
Peter C.
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I never bought one because rentals are abused. I've seen people attach skins to cameras not sure if they sell them for C70 https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/camera-skins-silicone-cases/ci/12670/N/4075788779
Jim Feeley
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Bummer. The C70 I bought, and the other used stuff I've bought from them, were in functional and aesthetic great shape. And they've mostly been rated (2) on the how's-it-look scale. Check the picture of the C70 I bought...and if you want, I can send you a couple others (the camera's sitting right here). I don't know how those current units work, but at least some have very few hours on them.
And to be clear, I don't get a cut or discount or anything from lens rentals. I'm just a satisfied customer.
Ya, I hear you but IME (which appears to differ from scorcesefan's (sorry, I can't recall his name), the stuff I've bought from lensrentals has been as described or better. Like if something's flawed in some way, they say so in the listing.
And there are for sure items I wouldn't buy from a rental house without first seeing them in person.